Dom puts the boot in...

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thirdcrank
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thirdcrank wrote: 27 May 2021, 10:43am
As an aside, I see that it's been decided that Radovan Karadžić will serve his life sentence for genocide in our penal system. I presume somebody wanted to make the rest of his life as miserable as possible.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-a ... r-transfer
And it's not to his taste.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -jail.html
Psamathe
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To me one aspect this whole thing highlights is the failure of our leadership. Cummings many failings any of which should have seen an adviser never even hired and certainly sacked on the spot yet repeatedly defended by Johnson. But give Johnson's girlfriend a nick name and he's history!

Better phrased by the parody himself
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When a compulsive liar and fantasist says <x> happened and another compulsive liar and fantasist says <x> never happened, who (if anybody) is telling the truth and what has our Government come to when you ask such questions?

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Hislop was in good form on HIGNFY last night, which was pleasing to see.
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I read that telegraph article. If true then Cummings gave complete BS at that select committee. Things he said the government didn't have end of February or end of march had public records showing he'd already discussed what he said they hadn't got at the beginning of the same month. If say 28th march the government and advisers had no plan for XYZ according to Cummings select committee display but there's civil service records or minutes of sage committee delivering advice to Boris with Cummings in the room on say 5 th of march then who's lying??

Obviously those aren't the dates but read the torygraph article it's not behind a paywall. It's very interesting and if true then what is Cummings doing giving out lies that he must know can be proven as lies? I can only think that he's playing to the crowd who simply want to believe the worst of Boris and his government. The people who will take it in and ignore later proven facts contradicting the chosen lies.i think we're all capable of that, believing what we want to believe.
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Tangled Metal wrote: 30 May 2021, 12:43am I read that telegraph article. If true then Cummings gave complete BS at that select committee. ....
Cummings has a track record of lying, as does Johnson and many of his Ministers. To me the one truth from all this is how unsuited the current incumbents are to their roles and what a complete disaster the Government is.

Another aspect to consider is that Johnson selected and appointed Cummings (and supported hime through his immensely damaging eye tests) - so what does that say about Johnson's abilities to select suitable capable staff? - and at the time Johnson appointed Cummings it's not like the entire country (including Johnson) didn't already know about their joint track record as compulsive liars.

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Not for the first time, I'll mention that's this is how our version of democracy works - and is manipulated. It's increasingly a serial dictatorship but that's how it is and Boris Johnson looks likely to continue to wield those powers till his parliamentary support dwindles.
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But today’s corruption and continued attempts to bypass parliament are unprecedented in modern times.
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But there is also an aspect to Cummings' "boot" and Johnson's lies in that whatever the detail Johnson had responsibility for decisions and there seems little doubt that he dithered and delayed and that cost many lives (just look at the UK's death rates data). There were blindingly obvious decisions made (or failures to make decisions) that cost lives (e.g. discharge of untested infected patients back into care homes) - and those were the responsibility of our Government and ultimately Johnson's responsibility.

How organised Johnson and his clowns were and how prepared or how seriously they took the threats is of secondary importance in that it only explains why they caused our disaster - main point being that they did cause a disaster. Additionally, by kicking an inquiry into the long grass to try and hide their inabilities until after the next election they are failing to learn the lessons and thus we seem likely to repeat the errors for yet another cycle. The country endures deaths and disability (through Covid, long-Covid and delayed cancer treatment and other critical care) all so an incompetent fool gets to try and play his ego for longer.

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Oldjohnw wrote: 30 May 2021, 11:19am But today’s corruption and continued attempts to bypass parliament are unprecedented in modern times.
And enough people continue to be relaxed about that to keep it going.

As it says on the cover of the current Private Eye
CUMMINGS ATTACKS BORIS OVER COVID


NEW BOMBSHELL SEES PM'S POPULARITY SLUMP TO RECORD HIGH
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thirdcrank wrote: 30 May 2021, 11:33am
Oldjohnw wrote: 30 May 2021, 11:19am But today’s corruption and continued attempts to bypass parliament are unprecedented in modern times.
And enough people continue to be relaxed about that to keep it going.
.....
Or have they just given-up. What can they do about it now lies and deceit have become mainstream so the choice the public seem to have faced so far is to fight it and suffer high blood pressure (with no NHS) and achieve nothing or switch-off to it all?

And there are more important things going on that a public school privileged elite playing silly narcissistic games at the public expense.

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I have to admit, I never realised there were so many left wing or socialist communists in this forum or CTC?
Cummings has spoken his lies now. He is done for thankfully...
Wow! I am afraid that I will admit now in full public forum view-I think Boris and company are pretty good. Boris is brilliant and when I am passed from this world in not too many years time, I hope that Conservatives are still ruling.
I am sad that I will never see those in opposition totally obliterated forever! Labour total wasters. Liberals are really non existent.

Happy days, enjoy your arguments about lies. Have you ever lied?????
If you are still alive it is quite possible because you have had a vaccination against Covid. Regular government success.
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Psamathe wrote: 30 May 2021, 11:40am
thirdcrank wrote: 30 May 2021, 11:33am
Oldjohnw wrote: 30 May 2021, 11:19am But today’s corruption and continued attempts to bypass parliament are unprecedented in modern times.
And enough people continue to be relaxed about that to keep it going.
.....
Or have they just given-up. What can they do about it now lies and deceit have become mainstream so the choice the public seem to have faced so far is to fight it and suffer high blood pressure (with no NHS) and achieve nothing or switch-off to it all?

And there are more important things going on that a public school privileged elite playing silly narcissistic games at the public expense.

Ian
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thirdcrank wrote: 29 May 2021, 10:56am
thirdcrank wrote: 27 May 2021, 10:43am
As an aside, I see that it's been decided that Radovan Karadžić will serve his life sentence for genocide in our penal system. I presume somebody wanted to make the rest of his life as miserable as possible.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-a ... r-transfer
And it's not to his taste.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -jail.html
It is actually a -continuance -of his sentence. Shared between European Countries which is pretty fair really. Yes he will be getting a miserable time here.
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Oldjohnw wrote: 28 May 2021, 5:15pm
thirdcrank wrote: 28 May 2021, 2:00pm My reference to previous governments was not about how they handled the preparations for the pandemic, but how previous governments governed. I think it's fair to say that party politicians look back at what "worked" for their predecessors. So, an unpopular Margaret Thatcher had an unexpected electoral boost from her military response to the invasion of the Falklands, which arguably only occurred as the result of a cock-up. Hence Tony Blair engineered the invasion of Iraq (and Boris Johnson sent the "gunboats" to Jersey.) My basic point is that we have surreptitiously scrapped cabinet government
Agree about cabinet government. And parliamentary accountability.
Excellent!
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Anyone remember the dodgy dossier incident? Does anyone know what the first big lie from a government was? It's certainly not Boris's or Bliar's, so whose government was it?

I don't think it's giving up just that Boris really is seen as the best of a bad bunch. I mean there's only two parties with a hope in hell of forming a government due to the system the GE is run under. You can forget about the rest. That means it's basically a form of beauty c contest between Labour and the Tories. As bad as that is right now that's where we are at. I think Labour lost it after Bliar went. Tories lost it with may and later Boris.

No solution to this from me. I'm just holding my nose and voting because I'm believe we're beholden to vote because of those who struggled to get us the vote. Unless you're from a privileged background whose ancestors always had the vote in which case you're probably like Boris's crowd. I'm just glad I can now vote for a good guy and neither help nor hinder the top two because it's a safe seat held by that good human being. A rare thing and despite voting against my political beliefs it's my last bad option.
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