Covid as an excuse for poor service

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Maillot Rouge
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Re: Covid as an excuse for poor service

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Jdsk wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 3:33pm
Maillot Rouge wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 3:31pm
Jdsk wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 1:29pm
Cyclist deaths on roads in the UK are about 150/ year. Or about 0.5/ day.

That's a lot lower. Would you also consider that number "insignificant"?
Death happens.
Cycling/motoring deaths are bound to happen and always will.So yes 150 a year is insignificant when you think about it.
Putting numbers to everything solves nothing.If it’s going to happen it will.
If no one died the planet would be full.
Re someone close to me dying of Covid.She did but in reality she was dead anyway.Covid was just the final step had she not got Covid she wouldn’t have lasted the year anyway.
Why do people always use ‘if it happens to you then you’ll see things differently’ to try to prove a point?Most people don’t see things like that.Maybe it’s an age/generation thing.
Thanks.

Many deaths don't have to happen when they do. Much suffering doesn't have to happen when it does.

For me the question is one of cost-effectiveness.

Jonathan
We don’t share the same optimism I’m afraid.Death and suffering always has and always will happen.
slowster
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Re: Covid as an excuse for poor service

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Maillot Rouge wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 3:31pm Death happens.
Cycling/motoring deaths are bound to happen and always will.So yes 150 a year is insignificant when you think about it.
Putting numbers to everything solves nothing.If it’s going to happen it will.
If no one died the planet would be full.
Re someone close to me dying of Covid.She did but in reality she was dead anyway.Covid was just the final step had she not got Covid she wouldn’t have lasted the year anyway.
Why do people always use ‘if it happens to you then you’ll see things differently’ to try to prove a point?Most people don’t see things like that.Maybe it’s an age/generation thing.
On average those people who have died as a result of Covid could have expected to live up to another 10 years*. Crucially the number of deaths could have been significantly lower if the Government had not ignored scientific advice, especially for the second wave when there was the benefit of the knowledge gained from the first wave to predict accurately what the outcome would very probably be if the advice were ignored.

The Government appears to be making the same mistakes repeatedly, largely because it makes crucial decisions based on ideological bias, instead of on facts and evidence. That has consistently been the hallmark of the lazy (Boris Johnson et al.) and the not very intelligent/selfish (insert name of Conservative MP of your choice) who make up the Government and the Conservative Parliamentry Party.

* https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comm ... o-covid-19
reohn2
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[XAP]Bob wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 3:22pm ....... all the front bench of the current government ........ .... all Slytherin material.
Can't argue with any of that! :wink:
But would add not just the front benches of the current government....
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Maillot Rouge wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 3:31pm ..........Re someone close to me dying of Covid.She did but in reality she was dead anyway.Covid was just the final step had she not got Covid she wouldn’t have lasted the year anyway.
Why do people always use ‘if it happens to you then you’ll see things differently’ to try to prove a point?Most people don’t see things like that.Maybe it’s an age/generation thing.
The point being made is of the 100+ daily,how many died unnecessarily?
As for someone who would've died anyway,taking that to it's logical conclusion we may as well all give up now and let the virus or whatever disease comes along take it's toll,or is that what you're advocating?
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Psamathe
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Re: Covid as an excuse for poor service

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Maillot Rouge wrote: 21 Oct 2021, 3:31pm ....
Death happens.
Cycling/motoring deaths are bound to happen and always will.So yes 150 a year is insignificant when you think about it.
Putting numbers to everything solves nothing.If it’s going to happen it will.
If no one died the planet would be full.
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For me it's about avoidable deaths happening. Accidents will happen (but we can and should make efforts to reduce accident levels). Same with Covid, we can and should take steps (particularly where those steps have minimal/trivial impact on society/economy). Same with many other aspects of life, we have rules and standards and research to make cars safer, we design and adjust road junctions to make them safer, you ban toxic chemicals in food to make it safer, etc. - all to reduce avoidable deaths.

Ian
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Yet another downside of Brexit from a weak,lazy and dirty government:- https://youtu.be/ws1MEHe4NAc
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