This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
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Re: This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
Hi, As it always was -"Never let lack of truth stop folk from having a moan"!
Still, the last Brooks Saddle that I got never went anywhere near a shop or warehouse? It was just one of three made at Brooks to check out a British Leather Supplier. Large copper rivets (like Pro Select), Japanned rails, with a perforated top like B17. My brother was a manager with the supplying tan yard.
Too late in life to break it in properly. IGICB MM
Still, the last Brooks Saddle that I got never went anywhere near a shop or warehouse? It was just one of three made at Brooks to check out a British Leather Supplier. Large copper rivets (like Pro Select), Japanned rails, with a perforated top like B17. My brother was a manager with the supplying tan yard.
Too late in life to break it in properly. IGICB MM
Re: This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
merseymouth wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 11:25am Well XAPBob, One word sums up the current approach to how they treat the first exiting member - "DANEGELD"!
Blackmail is a torrid practise, but plain and simple that is what the E.U. is employing. MM
Who was moaning again?Hi, As it always was -"Never let lack of truth stop folk from having a moan"!
Oh yes, the supporters of brexit who realise that they "won" a turd (having been told it was a turd previously).
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
Re: This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
I give up. Forget I ever used the B word. Let's for a moment consider why a cycle shop may not stock Brooks. Many shops are tied into agreements to sell certain stock items as they have a relationship with a certain supplier. They need to sell in volume. I am fortunate that my LBS chooses not to be tied into such agreements. But I have yet to see a Brooks in that shop. It's business, and Brooks are a minority item so its not worth shops stocking them. They want to sell items they have already paid for, and they don't really like ordering individual items. I don't resent this, margins are tight and my LBS needs to earn a living. And he's been building my wheels for nearly 30 years-and does a superb job I might add. So I don't mind going to Spa for a Brooks. And how often would you buy your trusty B17 narrow anyway? The most modern one I have is now 13 years old. Others are getting on for 40, and I still have my late father's which is... Getting on for nearly 70. It is still usuable. So not a volume seller there, I think I am safe in saying.
If I only bought at some local bike shops I would probably only wear Altura cycle kit in black or flo green. I would only have Schwalbe tyres. Etc etc. So I buy online sometimes eg when I bought some Lusso Termico bib tights. Was easier to by from them direct as a lot of shops don't stock Lusso, even though they are made in Manchester. If I could buy through my LBS I would. Its a similar problem for other items such as Zefal And Silca. You have to buy online esp for spares. Brexit will make this more of a problem because of the increased bureaucracy unfortunately, like it has for other businesses if the product comes from the EU or from a supplier based in the EU. I'm not holding my breath.that this will improve soon..
This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
Brooks have exactly this model in Europe & the U.K. to increase consumer choice at their stockists, conversely this means you’re unlikely to see the occasional Brooks product at a retailer that didn’t commit to the brand yet.Many shops are tied into agreements to sell certain stock items as they have a relationship with a certain supplier. They need to sell in volume. I am fortunate that my LBS chooses not to be tied into such agreements. But I have yet to see a Brooks in that shop. It's business, and Brooks are a minority item so its not worth shops stocking them.
Brooks dealer locator shows your local retailer & whether they are Select/Distinct/Standard: https://www.brooksengland.com/storelocator/
Re: This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
The part I've highlighted is simply wrong. As the link says that's a list of their Premium Dealers, I don't know what it takes to become a premium dealer, but I'd wager I can find as many Brooks suppliers not on that list as there are on it. In the link at the top of this thread, the one atoz posted without seeming to have read properly, it clearly states that Extra UK handle UK distribution as they have done before Brexit.Aikon wrote: ↑15 Jun 2021, 1:42pmBrooks have exactly this model in Europe & the U.K. to increase consumer choice at their stockists, conversely this means you’re unlikely to see the occasional Brooks product at a retailer that didn’t commit to the brand yet.Many shops are tied into agreements to sell certain stock items as they have a relationship with a certain supplier. They need to sell in volume. I am fortunate that my LBS chooses not to be tied into such agreements. But I have yet to see a Brooks in that shop. It's business, and Brooks are a minority item so its not worth shops stocking them.
Brooks dealer locator shows your local retailer & whether they are Select/Distinct/Standard: https://www.brooksengland.com/storelocator/
They have a locate a dealer facility, you can put in a product (i.e. brooks) and your postcode and it'll list who can supply. Don't take my word for it, here it is:
https://www.extrauk.co.uk/profile/locate/--/all/
But really, in the context of this thread, whether you buy from a premium dealer, or one supplied via the distributer, buying a Brooks in the UK is exactly the same post Brexit as it was before. Buying from Italy has got worse, but it wasn't good in the first place.
This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
No need to take your word for it, Extra U.K. supply the information to Brooks to populate the Brooks dealer locator, I was part of the team that managed that info at Extra…
And I totally agree, buying a Brooks hasn’t changed due to Brexit, though I’d imagine it has brought its challenges as even the British leather was being tanned the other side of the channel before being made into finished goods in Smethwick, and the Cambium shells were being manufactured at the Italian factory then assembled and finished in the UK.
And I totally agree, buying a Brooks hasn’t changed due to Brexit, though I’d imagine it has brought its challenges as even the British leather was being tanned the other side of the channel before being made into finished goods in Smethwick, and the Cambium shells were being manufactured at the Italian factory then assembled and finished in the UK.
Re: This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
Why would it improve?Brexit will make this more of a problem because of the increased bureaucracy unfortunately, like it has for other businesses if the product comes from the EU or from a supplier based in the EU. I'm not holding my breath.that this will improve soon..
At some point the UK government will have to apply checks at our borders (both with the EU and with the part of the UK still in the customs union). At the moment it's a smugglers paradise, there are no inbound checks.
It's going to get significantly worse from here.
It's worth noting of course that the EU hasn't changed the rules that determine how it deals with third countries, we just became subject to them when uk.gov unilaterally decided to exit the customs union in the extreme tory brexit.
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
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Re: This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
Well tighter regs are going to be of some benefit. I've just been to a nursery and the nurseryman said that since Brexit the rules for importing plants which are susceptible to Xyella fastidiosa (a plant pathogen) are stricter.
It's widespread in Italy and Spain and prior to Brexit we tried to control iimporting possibly infected plants; the EU refused on grounds of competition. Post Brexit they're now subject to tighter import checks. So it's a minor win in the horticultural spread of disease around the globe.
It's widespread in Italy and Spain and prior to Brexit we tried to control iimporting possibly infected plants; the EU refused on grounds of competition. Post Brexit they're now subject to tighter import checks. So it's a minor win in the horticultural spread of disease around the globe.
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Re: This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
So will it be "Dig For Victory Against The E.U."? MM
Re: This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
Ben@Forest wrote: ↑16 Jun 2021, 4:37pm Well tighter regs are going to be of some benefit. I've just been to a nursery and the nurseryman said that since Brexit the rules for importing plants which are susceptible to Xyella fastidiosa (a plant pathogen) are stricter.
It's widespread in Italy and Spain and prior to Brexit we tried to control iimporting possibly infected plants; the EU refused on grounds of competition. Post Brexit they're now subject to tighter import checks. So it's a minor win in the horticultural spread of disease around the globe.
Except that even basic import checks aren't taking place on massive amounts of imported produce... plants and plant products aren't due to be checked at all until March 2022.
So all this talk of border control, our borders are more open then they have been in decades
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
Re: This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
I took the comment about not holding their breath to mean atoz wasn't expecting it to improve.[XAP]Bob wrote: ↑16 Jun 2021, 8:58amWhy would it improve?Brexit will make this more of a problem because of the increased bureaucracy unfortunately, like it has for other businesses if the product comes from the EU or from a supplier based in the EU. I'm not holding my breath.that this will improve soon..
At some point the UK government will have to apply checks at our borders (both with the EU and with the part of the UK still in the customs union). At the moment it's a smugglers paradise, there are no inbound checks.
It's going to get significantly worse from here.
It's worth noting of course that the EU hasn't changed the rules that determine how it deals with third countries, we just became subject to them when uk.gov unilaterally decided to exit the customs union in the extreme tory brexit.
I am. I know that's not a popular stance on this forum, but why wouldn't it? The EU has plenty of non member trading partners who get on without the chaos we have at present, what makes you think we can't become one of them? I'm not suggesting any future trading practices or arrangements will be a substitute for being a member, or guess how much improvement will happen, but there will be some. Even within the context of this thread - Brooks in Italy were not shipping to the UK for six months and now they are, OK it's on terms you'd have to be desperate or daft to buy from, but on the basis that something is better than nothing, it's an improvement.
Re: This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
I just can't tell, and occasionally these discussions do throw some light on it.[XAP]Bob wrote: ↑16 Jun 2021, 8:58amWhy would it improve?Brexit will make this more of a problem because of the increased bureaucracy unfortunately, like it has for other businesses if the product comes from the EU or from a supplier based in the EU. I'm not holding my breath.that this will improve soon..
At some point the UK government will have to apply checks at our borders (both with the EU and with the part of the UK still in the customs union). At the moment it's a smugglers paradise, there are no inbound checks.
It's going to get significantly worse from here.
It's worth noting of course that the EU hasn't changed the rules that determine how it deals with third countries, we just became subject to them when uk.gov unilaterally decided to exit the customs union in the extreme tory brexit.
There are grace periods, and there may be teething pains, and there are threats, and there are lies.
It would be good to see negotiated incremental improvements. All of the trade experts are describing how that could be done.
Jonathan
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Re: This is what you get with Brexit- you have more problems buying a Brooks saddle
Not according to the guy l was talking to today. He runs a nursery which as of today was holding £600,000 worth of stock - all plants, no garden furniture, or little amusing gnomes.[XAP]Bob wrote: ↑16 Jun 2021, 6:22pmBen@Forest wrote: ↑16 Jun 2021, 4:37pm Well tighter regs are going to be of some benefit. I've just been to a nursery and the nurseryman said that since Brexit the rules for importing plants which are susceptible to Xyella fastidiosa (a plant pathogen) are stricter.
It's widespread in Italy and Spain and prior to Brexit we tried to control iimporting possibly infected plants; the EU refused on grounds of competition. Post Brexit they're now subject to tighter import checks. So it's a minor win in the horticultural spread of disease around the globe.
Except that even basic import checks aren't taking place on massive amounts of imported produce... plants and plant products aren't due to be checked at all until March 2022.
So all this talk of border control, our borders are more open then they have been in decades
Those plants are subject to tougher rules right now. Period. If you know better?