Take These (Supply) Chains from My Heart

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Jdsk
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reohn2 wrote: 23 Sep 2021, 7:48pm It's all going so well isn't it?
Have you seen the fix for carbon dioxide production?

"Production is to restart at one of the UK's most important carbon dioxide suppliers after ministers agreed to offer a multi-million pound taxpayer subsidy, staving off the threat of widespread food shortages and propping up critical nuclear supply chains."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... roduction/
(Paywalled)

That's a "taxpayer subsidy" to a company based in the USA.

Jonathan

PS:
"Government secures agreement to ensure CO2 supplies":
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gove ... 2-supplies
... of course it doesn't say how much they're being paid.
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That's the free market economy for you.........
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A bit more information dribbling out on the supply of petrol:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... e-stations

"It is understood that BP’s head of UK retail, Hanna Hofer, told ministers it was important for the government to understand the “urgency of the situation”, which she described as “bad, very bad”, in comments first reported by ITV News.
She said the oil giant had “two-thirds of normal forecourt stock levels required for smooth operations” and the level was “declining rapidly”."


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Jdsk wrote: 23 Sep 2021, 7:54pm
reohn2 wrote: 23 Sep 2021, 7:48pm It's all going so well isn't it?
Have you seen the fix for carbon dioxide production?

"Production is to restart at one of the UK's most important carbon dioxide suppliers after ministers agreed to offer a multi-million pound taxpayer subsidy, staving off the threat of widespread food shortages and propping up critical nuclear supply chains."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... roduction/
(Paywalled)

That's a "taxpayer subsidy" to a company based in the USA.

Jonathan

PS:
"Government secures agreement to ensure CO2 supplies":
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gove ... 2-supplies
... of course it doesn't say how much they're being paid.
Is that company owned by Trump?
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JohnW wrote: 23 Sep 2021, 11:17pmIs that company owned by Trump?
It's CF Industries.

But I feel as if I'm missing a joke...

Jonathan
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Steven_Swinf ... 9291351045

I've previously expressed my admiration of U-turns when the new decision is better than the old. Perhaps this is how it will happen.

Of course those ways of addressing the problem don't have to be mutually exclusive. And others are also needed.

Jonathan
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Four out of six of our big six energy suppliers are foreign owned. We are bailing out a foreign owned fertiliser manufacturer. We have a leader who addresses the world about Kermit the Frog.

So much for global Britain taking a lead on the world stage.
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Jdsk wrote: 24 Sep 2021, 7:55amI've previously expressed my admiration of U-turns when the new decision is better than the old. Perhaps this is how it will happen.

Of course those ways of addressing the problem don't have to be mutually exclusive. And others are also needed.
Burley: "These short-term visas, these specialist skilled worker visas ... ballerinas are on the list and HGV drivers are not.
Shapps: "I wouldn't rule anything out here... "
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14958 ... ky-news-VN

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Jdsk wrote: 24 Sep 2021, 7:51am
JohnW wrote: 23 Sep 2021, 11:17pmIs that company owned by Trump?
It's CF Industries.

But I feel as if I'm missing a joke...

Jonathan
Fair comment Jonathan - it's my (probably tasteless) 'joke' generated by the reference to a taxpayer subsidy to an American company.
Not a joke though, is it?
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JohnW wrote: 24 Sep 2021, 10:16am
Jdsk wrote: 24 Sep 2021, 7:51am
JohnW wrote: 23 Sep 2021, 11:17pmIs that company owned by Trump?
It's CF Industries.

But I feel as if I'm missing a joke...
Fair comment Jonathan - it's my (probably tasteless) 'joke' generated by the reference to a taxpayer subsidy to an American company.
Not a joke though, is it?
Thanks.

No it isn't

It's a chaotic, day by day, incompetent way to govern. And the lack of transparency is a disgrace, as in so many other examples.

But I'm not particularly concerned about foreign ownership of companies in my country. If they invest here, employ people here, and pay taxes here they're welcome.

Jonathan
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Iceland (the supermarket) has joined in:
"Supermarket Iceland has joined Morrisons and Ocado in calling for the government to add HGV drivers to the list of shortage occupations, calling it the "simple solution" to the lorry driver shortfall.
Its managing director, Richard Walker, told BBC Question Time that it's around 100 drivers short, and that "it's very difficult out there" to keep things going."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-58675651

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Jdsk wrote: 24 Sep 2021, 8:38am
Jdsk wrote: 24 Sep 2021, 7:55amI've previously expressed my admiration of U-turns when the new decision is better than the old. Perhaps this is how it will happen.

Of course those ways of addressing the problem don't have to be mutually exclusive. And others are also needed.
Burley: "These short-term visas, these specialist skilled worker visas ... ballerinas are on the list and HGV drivers are not.
Shapps: "I wouldn't rule anything out here... "
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14958 ... ky-news-VN

Jonathan
I'm not convinced short term visas for EU HGV drivers will do much good now. If those EU drivers have jobs in the EU, would they quit those jobs to return to the UK for a short term, to move into a well established "hostile environment" (with a Gov. who dislikes the EU and dislikes foreigners) before being thrown out once they have bailed-out the UK's self-inflicted problems? And moving here with the need to find a job, find digs, pay out for private health insurance, etc.. If it were me I'd need a massive incentive so I suspect we would not see much of an impact. Maybe if they offered permanent residence.

I think the UK has dug it's hole, jumped-in and Johnson and his yes-people are ideologically opposed to the solution.

Ian
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Psamathe wrote: 24 Sep 2021, 12:43pmI'm not convinced short term visas for EU HGV drivers will do much good now. If those EU drivers have jobs in the EU, would they quit those jobs to return to the UK for a short term, to move into a well established "hostile environment" (with a Gov. who dislikes the EU and dislikes foreigners) before being thrown out once they have bailed-out the UK's self-inflicted problems? And moving here with the need to find a job, find digs, pay out for private health insurance, etc.. If it were me I'd need a massive incentive so I suspect we would not see much of an impact. Maybe if they offered permanent residence.
They wouldn't have to be from the EU... there's some discussion of drivers from further afield in the Transport Intelligence paper.

I'd include it as one of the many interventions that are needed.

And of course the UK hasn't yet implemented the new import checks agreed in the TCA... the hole can get a lot deeper.

Jonathan
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