Anyone for Gas?

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DevonDamo wrote: 20 Sep 2021, 5:59pm We've got negligible chance of slowing down the disaster we're creating, due to the fact humanity mainly consists of people who'll go along with the populist narrative sponsored by Exxon and co. To actually make a difference, we'd all need to accept real sacrifice in our lives and only a tiny proportion of humanity would vote for the kind of 'Green Stalin' we'd need to steer us through this. There's absolutely zero chance that the majority could ever be persuaded to think beyond cheap food, fuel, foreign holidays and maybe the occasional minimal, feel-good 'green' gesture, like buying an organic carrot.

I know this is a bleak, defeatist outlook, but it doesn't stop me from behaving and voting as though there were still a chance.
Quite, Devon,Damo.
Perhaps if more attention had been paid to the green loons (moderator note: refers to removed post) a decade ago, and less to climate change deniers and the propaganda of big oil, we might be in a better position today.
I first visited the loonies at Machynlleth Centre for Alternative Technology when it was new.
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Why is it still called "natural gas"?
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Mick F wrote: 20 Sep 2021, 6:37pm Why is it still called "natural gas"?
It was originally called that in contrast to manufactured gas such as town gas. And the name hasn't changed.

I don't see why it should. It's still natural even if its combustion is so harmful.

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Gas is burnt to produce 40% of our electricity. More in the winter and less in the summer. Remember the dash for gas in the 1970's which decimated the coal industry and led to the eventual closure of almost all our coal fired power stations. I've been saying on this forum for years the electricity supply network being a critical infrastructure should never have been privatised. The chickens are now coming home to roost, more so now they can't be slaughtered. :x And the greens are keeping quiet about the lack of wind and sunshine. My supplier has gone bust, not the first time its happened to me so I won't be too concerned. Now weres my fork handles. :lol:
If the business secretary had some round things he would have instructed the 2 fertilizer plants to restart to produce CO2 or be nationalised without recompense. :mrgreen:
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rjb wrote: 20 Sep 2021, 6:51pmThe chickens are now coming home to roost, more so now they can't be slaughtered.
ISWYDT

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Unfortunately green parties aren't always very consistent thanks to their more radical nimbyish wings.

Decades of opposition to nuclear along with often vociferous opposition to specific renewable energy & sustainable transport projects because building new things inevitably will result in some ecological harm has caused plenty of its own additional CO2 emissions.

GPEW seems to be rather worse for this than many countries but most still have their blind spots.

As for china/india, that's a disingenuous argument but one the oil companies have been very successful in getting people to repeat, there are numerous reasons to rapidly push ahead with non fossil fuel energy even if using the assumption that anthropogenic climate change was a myth. The human & environmental cost of fossil fuels, even ignoring climate change, is huge and much of the consequences of our use is felt in this country and they're the future of energy regardless so might as well be actual 'world leading' about the matter than just buy it off china.
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I identify the green loons as the climate activists who seriously disrupt others lives. I think that behavior just alienates large numbers of people who might otherwise be sympathetic and thus detracts from the message they are trying to convey. And if those who criticise the message about the worst climate damaging countries in my earlier post actually read the message instead of issueing thinly veiled unwarranted insults this would be a better place.

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There is a wide variety of groups which could be called green. There is certainly no unified organisation, or agreed agenda.
What they have in common is that they realised decades ago that we were doing unsustainable damage to the environment we depend on.
This understanding is becoming much more widespread, because it has become so apparent.
Unfortunately we have probably, by resisting change, left it too late.
It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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Oldjohnw wrote: 20 Sep 2021, 7:29pm

You mean like the suffragettes did to get you and your good lady the vote?



And the Chartist, the Abolitionists and the campaigners for the factory acts.
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It’s obvious. Until China and India and Brazil have it sorted then we shouldn’t bother either.
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It’s a funny thing how some are much more troubled by the slight inconvenience of ruining the planet that the massive inconvenience of a protest or a delayed journey.
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It should be clear now, even to the most stupid, that unless we take urgent action, we will all regret it.

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It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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All this endless talk about going green, sustainably this that and the other and so on - the elephant in the room is population size don't you think?
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bikes4two wrote: 20 Sep 2021, 8:48pm All this endless talk about going green, sustainably this that and the other and so on - the elephant in the room is population size don't you think?
Not particularly. And there's certainly no need to run out of food... starvation is consistently decreasing.

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Mike Sales wrote: 20 Sep 2021, 7:32pmUnfortunately we have probably, by resisting change, left it too late.
We are where we are. The future can be made better or worse than it would otherwise be by our decisions and actions.

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