And sitting on the other side - why should we change if they haven't
Anyone for Gas?
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A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.
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Until we have it sorted then China, India and Brazil shouldn't bother either.
'Give me my bike, a bit of sunshine - and a stop-off for a lunchtime pint - and I'm a happy man.' - Reg Baker
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And carbon emissions per person? The more people there are, the lower the per person target will be. And the more difficult to achieve. Sustained population growth and being green don't go together.
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At least we now know why the oven ready deal isn’t quite ready.
We’ve run out of gas.
We’ve run out of gas.
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So far, so good. I have heard the climate is changing, though.
One cause of the increase in migration is climate change affecting harvests.
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It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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Indeed, but the signs are not good.Jdsk wrote: ↑20 Sep 2021, 9:03pmWe are where we are. The future can be made better or worse than it would otherwise be by our decisions and actions.Mike Sales wrote: ↑20 Sep 2021, 7:32pmUnfortunately we have probably, by resisting change, left it too late.
Jonathan
Current government targets are probably insufficient and are anyway being missed.
It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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Totally agree.Mike Sales wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 9:08amIndeed, but the signs are not good.Jdsk wrote: ↑20 Sep 2021, 9:03pmWe are where we are. The future can be made better or worse than it would otherwise be by our decisions and actions.Mike Sales wrote: ↑20 Sep 2021, 7:32pmUnfortunately we have probably, by resisting change, left it too late.
Current government targets are probably insufficient and are anyway being missed.
Jonathan
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Yes. But if we want to convince people of the harms the facts have to be right. We can produce enough food for the predicted population. And we should discuss things that have got better so that we understand why they did.Mike Sales wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 9:05amSo far, so good. I have heard the climate is changing, though.
I'll come back to population...
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Yet present food production and storage and transport is dependent to a large degree on fossil fuels?Jdsk wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 9:12amYes. But if we want to convince people of the harms the facts have to be right. We can produce enough food for the predicted population. And we should discuss things that have got better so that we understand why they did.Mike Sales wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 9:05amSo far, so good. I have heard the climate is changing, though.
I'll come back to population...
Jonathan
Energy and fertilizers.
I have seen venn diagrams that suggest around 50% of the food on the plate "is oil".
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What is being measured to get that figure of 50%, please?PDQ Mobile wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 9:23amI have seen venn diagrams that suggest around 50% of the food on the plate "is oil".
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Jonathan
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And by losing the doom/ too late component that can take us into understanding what's happening and our future options. For example why does it vary so much between countries?PDQ Mobile wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 9:23amYet present food production and storage and transport is dependent to a large degree on fossil fuels?Jdsk wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 9:12amYes. But if we want to convince people of the harms the facts have to be right. We can produce enough food for the predicted population. And we should discuss things that have got better so that we understand why they did.Mike Sales wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 9:05am So far, so good. I have heard the climate is changing, though.
Energy and fertilizers.
https://www.overshootday.org/food-and-fossil-fuels/
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There is a difficult balance to strike between establishing the urgency needed, and discouraging efforts to do anything constructive.
At the moment I think we are not treating emission reduction with enough urgency.
Myself, I try to act as if my tiny contribution can make a difference.
At the moment I think we are not treating emission reduction with enough urgency.
Myself, I try to act as if my tiny contribution can make a difference.
It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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Britain is one of the worst climate damaging countries. Damage in cumulative and given the long history of coal based industry and power production in the UK we've done more damage than most.al_yrpal wrote: ↑20 Sep 2021, 7:23pm I identify the green loons as the climate activists who seriously disrupt others lives. I think that behavior just alienates large numbers of people who might otherwise be sympathetic and thus detracts from the message they are trying to convey. And if those who criticise the message about the worst climate damaging countries in my earlier post actually read the message instead of issueing thinly veiled unwarranted insults this would be a better place.
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Much of our manufacturing and associated environmental damage has been exported to countries like China making their figures look worse and ours better because we don't make so much here anymore.
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