25 in 2021:PDQ Mobile wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:13pmHow many of the much lauded (at the time) private suppliers have gone bust in the last 6 months? 20?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/16834791 ... ur-pocket/
... so far.
Jonathan
25 in 2021:PDQ Mobile wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:13pmHow many of the much lauded (at the time) private suppliers have gone bust in the last 6 months? 20?
It must be having an effect on "demand".Jdsk wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:16pm"They can use the 7kW chargers along with 22kW rapid chargers where available for free, while 50kW rapid chargers are available for the market rate."PDQ Mobile wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:13pm My local Tesco offers free charging.
I believe it is just that, free, don't know if there is a time constraint.
Has three or four points, presumably (?) fairly low speed charging.
Shop hours only, so not "off peak".
https://www.tescoplc.com/updates/2021/t ... 0-charges/
Jonathan
"Can the grid cope with the extra demand from electric cars?":
So given the "laws" of supply and demand and the growth of "cheap" renewables, why do domestic kwh costs keep on rising so steeply?Jdsk wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:28pm"Can the grid cope with the extra demand from electric cars?":
https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... ctric-cars
"How will the growth of electric vehicles impact the grid?":
https://www.electricnation.org.uk/wp-co ... e-grid.pdf
... the latter is from 2017 and anything more recent and not from the National Grid or an energy supplier would be appreciated...
Jonathan
I don't think they actually give it away - it's one of the overheads that have to come out of what Tesco sells. So I suppose it's the other customers like yourself ( it probably won't be itemised on your bill )PDQ Mobile wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:36pmSo given the "laws" of supply and demand and the growth of "cheap" renewables, why do domestic kwh costs keep on rising so steeply?Jdsk wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:28pm"Can the grid cope with the extra demand from electric cars?":
https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... ctric-cars
"How will the growth of electric vehicles impact the grid?":
https://www.electricnation.org.uk/wp-co ... e-grid.pdf
... the latter is from 2017 and anything more recent and not from the National Grid or an energy supplier would be appreciated...
Jonathan
And how come Tesco can give away 22kw (X4) of peak time leccy for nothing.
It doesn't add up. (No pun etc)
Report from the Commons Transport Select Committee, July 2021:Jdsk wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:28pm"Can the grid cope with the extra demand from electric cars?":
https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... ctric-cars
"How will the growth of electric vehicles impact the grid?":
https://www.electricnation.org.uk/wp-co ... e-grid.pdf
... the latter is from 2017 and anything more recent and not from the National Grid or an energy supplier would be appreciated...
I've always assumed that it's brand management. Any estimates of the energy and cost to them? And is there any governmental subsidy into schemes such as this?ANTONISH wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:46pmI don't think they actually give it away - it's one of the overheads that have to come out of what Tesco sells. So I suppose it's the other customers like yourself...PDQ Mobile wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:36pmSo given the "laws" of supply and demand and the growth of "cheap" renewables, why do domestic kwh costs keep on rising so steeply?Jdsk wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:28pm "Can the grid cope with the extra demand from electric cars?":
https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... ctric-cars
"How will the growth of electric vehicles impact the grid?":
https://www.electricnation.org.uk/wp-co ... e-grid.pdf
... the latter is from 2017 and anything more recent and not from the National Grid or an energy supplier would be appreciated...
And how come Tesco can give away 22kw (X4) of peak time leccy for nothing.
It doesn't add up. (No pun etc)
You are probably right.ANTONISH wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:46pmI don't think they actually give it away - it's one of the overheads that have to come out of what Tesco sells. So I suppose it's the other customers like yourself ( it probably won't be itemised on your bill )PDQ Mobile wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:36pmSo given the "laws" of supply and demand and the growth of "cheap" renewables, why do domestic kwh costs keep on rising so steeply?Jdsk wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:28pm
"Can the grid cope with the extra demand from electric cars?":
https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... ctric-cars
"How will the growth of electric vehicles impact the grid?":
https://www.electricnation.org.uk/wp-co ... e-grid.pdf
... the latter is from 2017 and anything more recent and not from the National Grid or an energy supplier would be appreciated...
Jonathan
And how come Tesco can give away 22kw (X4) of peak time leccy for nothing.
It doesn't add up. (No pun etc)
A couple of days ago I noticed there are three or four new charging points in the railway station car park, one was in use and the others were all blocked by petrol cars.PDQ Mobile wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:13pm My local Tesco offers free charging.
I believe it is just that, free, don't know if there is a time constraint.
Has three or four points, presumably (?) fairly low speed charging.
"ICEing"axel_knutt wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 6:23pmA couple of days ago I noticed there are three or four new charging points in the railway station car park, one was in use and the others were all blocked by petrol cars.
Don't you mean if they become the majority?KM2 wrote: ↑6 Dec 2021, 9:25pm When electric cars are in the majority, will the poorer members of society be able to drive?
You will not be able to pick up a older car because the battery health is likely to be so poor and people won’t be able to afford replacements.
How’s that going to impact on getting to work?
I'd agree with all you say. Car engines last for 100000's miles, cars don't rust but electrical component fail and can be very expensive to replace. There are electronic component in EV's so the problems won't have gone by swapping from an ICE car.Mick F wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 2:07pm The poorer members of society round here have cheap secondhand cars to get to work.
Therefore, I agree with the OP.
Secondhand electric cars will be too expensive, and the older ones will be scrapped because the batteries will be too expensive to replace. Cars are scrapped these days, not because they are rust buckets, but because of electronics or a system failure. Too expensive and non-economic to fix.
We sold our Clio some years ago. Bought brand new in 2001, and kept for 12years and done over 100,000miles.
Sold it locally for £350.
Meanwhile, one of the electronic key fobs had packed up yonks back. Only a Renault part, and it would have cost £200 for a new one, so we sold the car with the one key and the bits for the other one.
£350 car with a key needing £200. It's a small step to write a car off just for "bits".
Throw-away society.
Utterly agree on those points.ANTONISH wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:16pm There are large numbers of people reliant on a cheap ICE vehicle to get to work - often the journey is difficult or impossible by public transport if one is to be punctual. Many of these people are on incomes which barely cover their day to day expenses - they are lucky if they have a few hundred pounds available for emergencies. Even if they were given a free secondhand EV that needed a new battery pack they would be unable to raise the cash.
EV's are a nice idea but they aren't a solution - unless you are one of those relatively wealthy.
I can see the UK being like Cuba - keeping many elderly vehicles running far into the future.
Because the majority of UK electricity is still generated using gas and nuclear. The latter has never been 'too cheap to meter' and the price of the former has gone up a bit recentlyPDQ Mobile wrote: ↑7 Dec 2021, 5:36pmSo given the "laws" of supply and demand and the growth of "cheap" renewables, why do domestic kwh costs keep on rising so steeply?