Thatcher

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Re: Thatcher

Postby climo » 21 Jul 2009, 7:01pm

sirmy wrote:Six pages and still going - imagine what will happen when she does die

I'll be too busy uncorking the champagne.

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Re: Thatcher

Postby cjchambers » 21 Jul 2009, 7:23pm

sirmy wrote:Six pages and still going - imagine what will happen when she does die

Hopefully the majority of people will reflect on her life with respect and decorum, whatever their views on her policies. She, like most people, was only doing what she thought was best. Even if you think she got it wrong, I do think we should have some basic respect for one of our fellow human beings.

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Re: Thatcher

Postby JohnW » 21 Jul 2009, 7:28pm

sirmy wrote:Six pages and still going - imagine what will happen when she does die


Well nothing will happen - it's too late now - she's done her harm. Thatcher and those pulling her strings.

Don't let us forget Rupert Murdoch in all this, and the little get together he had with Blair, in Tasmania, before the Sun gutter rag decided not to support John Major. Now what was all that about?

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Re: Thatcher

Postby Neil Mc Ivor » 21 Jul 2009, 9:07pm

Mrs.Thatcher Prime Minister of The United Kingdom 1979 - 1990 that is now almost 2 decades in the past.
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Re: Thatcher

Postby johncharles » 21 Jul 2009, 9:54pm

fatboy wrote:
johncharles wrote:But all your points were anti Margaret Thatcher and nothing to say that you thought the same or similar about those who have been since.


Firstly this was my first post here, and yes my post was mainly anti Margaret Thatcher but since that was who we were talking about and the title of the thread I thought that to be reasonable.


I have not said it isn't but just made the comment that your whole post was anti Margaret Thatcher so I also thought it reasonable to say that I disagreed with you about her by saying what I think of the crowd we have now .

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Re: Thatcher

Postby johncharles » 21 Jul 2009, 9:59pm

Kirst wrote:
johncharles wrote:


So the toadying up that Blair did to Bush is fine and the the joke of a Chancellor that Brown was and his sp called principles and not forgetting Mandelson.
The Kinnocks on the Euro gravy train and I notice that these so called labour people who so detest the idea of the House of Lords (which I do think could do with some alteration) can't wait to don the ermine robes.

No, they're not fine either, but they're not who the thread is about. Expressing a dislike of Thatcher isn't an expression of liking for anyone else.


So we cannot comment about other politicians as an opinion for Margaret Thatcher and not against her.

By the vehement comments made against her then why is it so wrong for me to say what I think of the present day government.

I openly come out with my support for her and my dislike of this crowd, is that too hard for some.

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Re: Thatcher

Postby johncharles » 21 Jul 2009, 10:03pm

climo wrote:
sirmy wrote:Six pages and still going - imagine what will happen when she does die

I'll be too busy uncorking the champagne.


It will be an even bigger bottle whenTony Blair pops his clogs.

Mind he will have filled his boots on the EU gravy train before then along with Mrs Blair. They are really in touch with the average Joe on the street aren't they. :roll:

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Re: Thatcher

Postby Ben Lovejoy » 21 Jul 2009, 10:52pm

glueman wrote:OTOH if the neighbouring country were a large and politically sensitive one with nuclear weapons like China and the island were Hong Kong there'd be an orderly retreat with marching bands.

There is no comparison between the two. We had most of HK on a 99-year-lease, and the PRC was perfectly entitled to choose not to renew the lease. (You could get pedantic about the lease only covering the New Territories, but absolutely everyone accepted the complete impracticality of dividing the territories.)

That is not to say that the Falklands War was justified. The principle of defending the home of British Citizens was just, but a diplomatic solution could have been achieved.

As for Thatcher, probably the ideal would have been if she'd had a single term. Her approach to the union stranglehold on the country was absolutely necessary, and I don't think anyone who lived through the Three Day Week could possibly disagree. After the first term, she started believing in her own PR.

But then, as someone with no party politics, I believe that alternating governments is the best way to minimise the harm that governments of all colours can do.
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Re: Thatcher

Postby thirdcrank » 22 Jul 2009, 9:04am

Ben Lovejoy wrote: ... I don't think anyone who lived through the Three Day Week could possibly disagree. ... .


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Re: Thatcher

Postby chambo3413 » 26 Jul 2009, 9:31am

I don't think it matters who is in 'charge' of the county as they are only the face of government...behind the scenes it is the same people ie civil servants, human rights lawyers and the media that actualy 'runs' the country provided 'we' buy into their lies it will continue.
I have no love for Maggie and her ilk, she did I believe introduce the market economy( flexible work practices & redundancies,economy drives,gross underinvestment, workforce exploitation-now moved to third world market economies) she did I believe preside over the 'deregulation' credit cards (look at our individual debt now), sold off council houses(housing shortage and once spiralling house prices that WILL return) she even nicked our school milk(Maggie Thatcher school milk snatcher).
The Falklands war helped her regain her hold on power at the expense of many avoidable but respected deaths on both sides.
She destroyed communities which anyone living in one of the 1980's mining communities will tell you ( I have several personal and rather sad memories of this)
Was she any worse than previous or successive leaders, probably not she was just more in your face.
My current stance on politics is why bother, though if I were to state my leanings they would most likely be Social Conservative with Draconian leanings, ie no room for scroungers or businesses who do not pay their way.
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Re: Thatcher

Postby carlislemike » 26 Jul 2009, 5:11pm

In true egalitarian spirit, I will ride my bike into town or maybe get a bus if it is deep midwinter should the iron lady finally perish. Rust comes to everything and she deserves her share for what she did to homes, schools, economy and that thing she despised so much:- society.

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Re: Thatcher

Postby reohn2 » 26 Jul 2009, 8:24pm

hubgearfreak wrote:when i saw the thread title, i reached for the cold champagne in the fridge. :lol:


Me too! we should be so lucky :( .
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Re: Thatcher

Postby reohn2 » 26 Jul 2009, 8:26pm

kwackers wrote:Let's not forget that before Thatcher, Britain was Utopian - a model society for the rest of the world...


And during?
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Re: Thatcher

Postby carlislemike » 26 Jul 2009, 8:38pm

Dystopian

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Re: Thatcher

Postby reohn2 » 27 Jul 2009, 12:10am

carlislemike wrote:Dystopian


:) :) :) thats about right.
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