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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby GrahamNR17 » 28 Jan 2011, 4:48pm

I start stripping the former frankenbike in the morning and dropping it off for blast and paint in the afternoon :oops:

...and Chris667 has blackmailed me into another bloody Raleigh :evil:

Graham, wots will is weak :oops:

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby corshamjim » 29 Jan 2011, 12:39pm

My Pashley is rapidly turning in to my Frankenbike! :evil:

Today, I took the innards out of the new XL-RD3 hub and tried putting it in to the X-RD5(W) hub shell (yes it is an X-RD5(W) not and XL-RD5(W) gok why I thought it was an XL when it's clearly written X on the shell :roll: ) ... anyway, the innards don't fit!

Yes the innards from the XL-RD3 don't fit in the shell of the X-RD5(W). On checking, I have found too that the OLN of the X-RD5(W) is actually a lot less than 130mm (more like 117mm) despite it clearly saying 130 mm on the SA website. (valuable lesson learned there methinks).

I'm getting a bit depressed now I have to say. :cry:

I can squeeze the XL-RD3 hub in to the frame of the Pashley, but only if I don't put the anti-rotation washers (or any other washers) in. Measuring the width between the inside of the dropouts (when there's no hub in place), it's 126mm so effectively I'm springing the dropouts apart by 4mm.

So... what I'm wondering is .. is it ok to put the anti-rotation washers outside the dropouts rather than inside? And if so, would it be possible/necessary for me to get the frame cold set to accept the 130mm OLN hub? Of course I'd have to get a wheel built around the new hub too.
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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby hubgearfreak » 29 Jan 2011, 12:52pm

corshamjim wrote:So... what I'm wondering is .. is it ok to put the anti-rotation washers outside the dropouts rather than inside?
And if so, would it be possible/necessary for me to get the frame cold set to accept the 130mm OLN hub?


1. yes, no bother. we discussed this earlier in the thread. :wink: :lol:
2. it's possible, certainly. whether it's necessary?

read this, it looks brutal, but is really easy - be sure to go gently
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby hubgearfreak » 29 Jan 2011, 12:57pm

corshamjim wrote:Yes the innards from the XL-RD3 don't fit in the shell of the X-RD5(W).


however, wouldn't the innards of a certain 3 speed drum brake hub fit? searching ebay for one would be a bit easier and cheaper than having wheels re-built & cold setting the frame

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby corshamjim » 29 Jan 2011, 1:13pm

Many thanks. Could I be sure an older 3-speed innards would fit the modern hub shell though?
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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby GrahamNR17 » 29 Jan 2011, 3:03pm

What spacers are on the new hub? It's usual that they make up the extra OLN with spacers and big fat locknuts, which can be removed/replaced with thin ones.

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby corshamjim » 29 Jan 2011, 4:39pm

There aren't any spacers on the new hub - it's just wider than the old one.

I'm beginning to think the course of least resistance would be simply to get a new 5-speed exactly the same as the old one. I'm sure I can eventually find a use for the 3-speed (or I can try selling it on ebay). Whatever I do I'm going to sleep on it for a while.

(edit) Thinking on it I'd better go double-check there are no spacers inside.
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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby corshamjim » 29 Jan 2011, 5:15pm

Right ... many thanks Graham, I think I see what SA have done.

The planet cage assembly in the XL-RD3 is much deeper than the one in the X-RD3 . Thankfully SJSC have a decent picture of the X-RD3 one here:

http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/sturmey-arch ... prod19157/

and it's patently skinny compared with the one in my XL-RD3 which has the pawls some distance from the planet gears.

So ... it would seem that all I need to do is replace this assembly with HSA434 in my 3-speed and hopefully that's all I need to do to make it fit the X-RD5 shell.

I'll have a closer look at the XL-RD3 another day to satisfy myself that HSA434 will fit it, and if it looks ok I'll just order that part.

If that doesn't work, I'll open up a shop selling miscellaneous SA hub parts! :D
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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby robc02 » 30 Jan 2011, 5:53pm

I collected the Ladies Royal Enfield parts from the powder coater's a few days ago. :)

Over the weekend I have built the wheels. The 26 x 1 1/2 rims were pretty rough when I bought the bike and even the thick powder coating allows quite a bit of the pitting to show. In one place on the rear rim the blasting made an additional hole! :shock: It became a 42 hole rim - 40 for spokes, 1 for the valve and 1 spare. I have now repaired the spare hole with epoxy resin and glass fibre fabric - I thought about using carbon fibre but thought it would be out of keeping with a 1930's bike. :wink: I am not worried about lack of strength in the rim as it has taken the spoke tension OK and is very substantially built - it can afford to lose a bit to corrosion. A worse problem is that there is a flat that I couldn't get rid of - quite pronounced and spread over a couple of spoke holes. It has obviously had quite a knock at some point. :(

I suppose I should look out for a replacement rim, but they seem to be very rare in that drilling. If I did this I would like to replace the pair - the front is a 36 hole so it should be quite easy to find one as Rigida still make them.

Has anyone managed to replace the toggle chain on an indicator? It is a two part indicator so I am guessing it will be hard to find a replacement, so repair is probably the best option. :?:

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby random37 » 31 Jan 2011, 6:56pm

Just to check, before I commit myself; are any of the togglers putting a bid in on this?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Front-Rear-Sturme ... 4aa8246c76

Might be just the job for my new toy.

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby corshamjim » 31 Jan 2011, 7:13pm

chris667 wrote:Just to check, before I commit myself; are any of the togglers putting a bid in on this?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Front-Rear-Sturme ... 4aa8246c76

Might be just the job for my new toy.


That's the hub I should've bought for my Pashley :roll: . I'm not bidding.

Good luck!

btw, I can highly recommend the brake - zero maintenance. I think I've only tightened the cable once in the two years I've had it.
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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby Greybeard » 31 Jan 2011, 7:32pm

Excellent hubs those. I have the same ones on 'Christine'. They too came off ebay as 'used', but never 'used' :? They'd obviously come off a bike broken for spares or a batch of unwanted wheels (cancelled post office order perhaps?), I can't recall what I paid now, but it wouldn't have been more than 40-50 quid the pair.
So you're safe from me sniping at the last minute :wink:

Steve

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby robc02 » 31 Jan 2011, 7:34pm

chris667 wrote:Just to check, before I commit myself; are any of the togglers putting a bid in on this?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Front-Rear-Sturme ... 4aa8246c76

Might be just the job for my new toy.


This seller has sold a few SA hubs like these in the past, so if you don't get them this time there might be some more in the near future!

I have bid on some of the previous ones but have now got some from this forum so shan't be bidding this time.

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby robc02 » 31 Jan 2011, 9:04pm

I have been speaking to Lloyd's the bicycle frame transfer company, who tell me that I may have problems applying waterslide transfers to a powder coated surface - depending upon the type of powder coating. Also that I shouldn't use cellulose or acrylic lacquer over them - he recommended two pack, which, of course, is not for DIYers.

Has anyone here had any problems applying waterslide transfers to powder coating?

I know that some of you have used Halfords Clearcoat to seal transfers - is this an acrylic?

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby random37 » 1 Feb 2011, 3:34pm

I've just got very excited about this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-1958-Rale ... 230ddaf1fb

Doesn't it look nice?