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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby corshamjim » 5 Sep 2011, 8:13pm

To be fair, just about anything with a carbon frame is overpriced nonsense aimed at people with more money than sense too. I can't blame Pashley for aiming for a slice of that pie, and I'm glad they've chosen to do so in their usual quirky way. That frame does look shoddy though.
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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby hubgearfreak » 5 Sep 2011, 8:17pm

corshamjim wrote:That frame does look shoddy though.


it's not shoddy jim, it'll be fine when it's been painted :wink:

like you say, it's appealing to the range rover sport driving, carbon fibre golf club owning types who wouldn't know what emery cloth is, let alone ever held any

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby corshamjim » 5 Sep 2011, 9:01pm

hubgearfreak wrote:like you say, it's appealing to the range rover sport driving ...


It's a natural evolution, then, from Pashley's LandRover APB! :D
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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby corshamjim » 5 Sep 2011, 10:29pm

Carbon is the new steel, obviously ...

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby AMC » 6 Sep 2011, 12:05pm

i'm not convinced. infact, i reckon it's overpriced AND substandard..
I agree, I'm no great fan of modern retro-style Pashleys having ridden a Princess (although a much older gent's upright was rather a nice ride,) I was just commenting after a quick glance at the slender seatstay tubes; that was what I meant by fine, not the quality of the brazing which is clearly not great at all. But nice to see the pic of a proper lug without paint on - very attractive.

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby MikewsMITH2 » 6 Sep 2011, 12:43pm

just about anything with a carbon frame is overpriced nonsense aimed at people with more money than sense too

Carbon is a cheap material. The reason why CF frames have been expensive is that up until recently they were hand laid by craftsmen to get the characteristics the designers wanted out of the frame. Once manufacurers have learned how to pop them out of a mould on a production line it will become a cheap technology and nearly all bikes will be CF. It was the same with aluminium years ago. Alu frames were exotic and only seen on the top racing bikes, now all the cheap crap from China is alu and to be fair they seem fine from the point of view of the average buyer. Full carbon road bikes now start at £1000. Try getting a steel road bike of equivalent spec for less than that. So are steel framed bikes now overpriced nonsense aimed a people with more money than sense? That is what a lot of people would say about Pashleys when they can buy the equivalent (alu) Giant, Trek, for £300 or less. My mate was speechless (and I mean speechless!) when he learned I paid £600 for my (Condor) steel frame. He had just bought a Giant with 7 speed hub gears for £300!

Personally I'll stick to steel, but I am just an old fart :oops:
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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby GrahamNR17 » 6 Sep 2011, 12:45pm

MikewsMITH2 wrote:I am just an old fart :oops:

At last a non-controversial statement :lol:

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby MikewsMITH2 » 6 Sep 2011, 1:14pm

GrahamNR17 wrote:
MikewsMITH2 wrote:I am just an old fart :oops:

At last a non-controversial statement :lol:


Thanks for your support - mate :shock:
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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby GrahamNR17 » 6 Sep 2011, 1:24pm

MikewsMITH2 wrote:
GrahamNR17 wrote:
MikewsMITH2 wrote:I am just an old fart :oops:

At last a non-controversial statement :lol:


Thanks for your support - mate :shock:

Didn't realise you needed a support, things must be worse than they look :P

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby MikewsMITH2 » 6 Sep 2011, 1:34pm

things must be worse than they look :P

With mates like you - much worse :(
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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby GrahamNR17 » 6 Sep 2011, 5:17pm

MikewsMITH2 wrote:
things must be worse than they look :P

With mates like you - much worse :(

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby hubgearfreak » 6 Sep 2011, 5:26pm

MikewsMITH2 wrote:Once manufacurers have learned how to pop them out of a mould on a production line it will become a cheap technology and nearly all bikes will be CF.......

Personally I'll stick to steel, but I am just an old fart :oops:


i'd only have steel too. i've seen enough pictures on here of snapped forks, cracked bb's & etc. to realise that they're not going to last, and may fail with serious consequences to my boyish good looks :lol:

given the abuse both utility and best bikes get get - being bashed against a lampost, other bikes in the bike shed at home or work & etc. i imagine that the small top tube dent that my black one picked up on the way home from the pub one night, or the scatches on the seatpost from an overtightened lamp bracket would have spelled the end for that ambrosiaspa pictured up there. :wink:

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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby MikewsMITH2 » 6 Sep 2011, 6:31pm

they're not going to last

If you are feeling cynical thats the whole point. This throwaway consumer society we are in is getting worse, despite, or even because of, the growth in recycling. They'll last a few years then people will buy another. If you are a bike manufacturer or retailer isnt that what its all about?
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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby corshamjim » 6 Sep 2011, 6:50pm

MikewsMITH2 wrote:If you are feeling cynical thats the whole point. This throwaway consumer society we are in is getting worse, despite, or even because of, the growth in recycling. They'll last a few years then people will buy another. If you are a bike manufacturer or retailer isnt that what its all about?


Some of the drivetrain components (of multi-geared dedangly bikes) only last a few months anyway so I actually think it's quite fitting that the frame is designed to self-destruct in a similar timeframe.
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Re: togglechaintour bikes

Postby robc02 » 6 Sep 2011, 7:26pm

just about anything with a carbon frame is overpriced nonsense aimed at people with more money than sense


I know what you mean - my Raleigh carbon frame cost me £17, yes, I know, I know, :roll: bloomin' expensive - but I was attracted by that sticker:

18-23 controlled carbon cycle tubing

and the street cred. it would bring 8) :
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Long live carbon frames :mrgreen: