Automotive complexity

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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby patricktaylor » 15 Mar 2010, 10:54pm

CREPELLO wrote:... scrap it ...

Which is what we did with a perfectly sound Volvo estate (from back in the old days) when its front wing got bashed in modern times. The insurance company wrote it off. Many people nowadays run their cars (which they never actually own) on a 3 year replacement cycle (no pun intended) with finance rolled in. If you have capital you can safely extend this to 5 years. By 10 years your car is starting to look silly anyway.

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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby MikewsMITH2 » 15 Mar 2010, 11:23pm

By 10 years your car is starting to look silly anyway.

I don't agree :D Beauty (or silliness) is in the eye of the beholder, but I haven't noticed any tittering... And I can fix them myself :)
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OK the bottom one isn't 10 for a couple of months. Maybe it'll start looking silly in May?
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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby mw3230 » 16 Mar 2010, 7:34am

My car tells me when it needs a service. A few weeks ago I checked and the indicator said 5600 miles to service C. Thats good I thought- the Autumn. Two weeks later it flashed at me and indicated service C due in 14 days which decreased daily.

When I spoke to the dealership to query this, they explained that the service was 15000 miles or 12 months whichever is sooner and once the car realised that I wasn't going to do the mileage it reverted to the datal counting. Very clever - for them. The service including the change of brake fluid and some multi filter thing cost £450!!! Believe me I was happy with that as the original quote had been nearer £600. Now I'm getting ready for a set of tyres - woe is me.
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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby patricktaylor » 16 Mar 2010, 8:52am

MikewsMITH2 wrote:
By 10 years your car is starting to look silly anyway.

I don't agree :D Beauty (or silliness) is in the eye of the beholder, but I haven't noticed any tittering... And I can fix them myself :) ...

Those are nice cars. One of my sons has a customised Mark II Golf and that doesn't look silly either. But classics aside, most modern cars are destined to become ugly, or at least distinctly dated (except perhaps German cars designed in a more classic style). The more trendy something is, the more it looks dated later on.

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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby GrahamNR17 » 16 Mar 2010, 9:29am

MikeSMITH, as I live and breathe, gorgeous bikes AND gorgeous cars is against the law! :shock:

You're right, after ten years cars like that get MORE good looking. Wow, I'm completely blown away :o

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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby MikewsMITH2 » 16 Mar 2010, 9:33am

I shouldn't be too sure about the computer telling you everything. My daughter has a BMW Mini. It needed a couple of tyres so she left it here for me to get them changed and got the train back to London. When I came to to take it to the tyre fitter, it wouldn't start. The RAC man came and plugged in his computer. It showed 120 faults! His experience told him it ws the crankshaft sensor as there was no spark or fuel. However this wasn't one of the 120 faults displayed. It was towed to the garage. They also said "crankshaft sensor" but it wasn't. It turned out to be a "faulty fuse box" at £60 - I'm not conviced of that because when they removed it they found a broken wire which was probably the the real fault. Cost? £335. When they eventually got it to start, the electric windows wouldn't work either and they wanted to charge for investigating this. When I insisted they were working when I took the vehicle in, they argued for a bit then 10 minutes later they were working! No charge. The "body computer" needed resetting. To this day the Airbag light is still on. They can fix that next time... Give me "unreliable" old cars any day!
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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby MikewsMITH2 » 16 Mar 2010, 9:46am

We didn't buy these cars as classics by the way. The red one was 4 years old when my wife bought it. When child number 2 came along she needed a bigger car. It wasn't worth anything :cry: according to the garage that sold us the new Escort (yuk!) so we kept it anyway. The white one was 11 years old when I bought it in 1989 . I had reached that mid life crisis when you need a convertible :oops: They both cost about £3500. This is about one year's depreciation on a modern car. There has been little or no depreciation and they have been extremely reliable. The parts are cheap and they are easy to fix.

The green one is Jan's daily driver. She bought it new in 2000. I think its still only done 28,000 miles :shock: She says she'll probably never have another car, so she's looking after it!
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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby hubgearfreak » 16 Mar 2010, 10:05am

patricktaylor wrote:The more trendy something is, the more it looks dated later on.


mine's doomed then. although it's not very complex. it has what's required by law and a fuel gauge - that's packed in :lol:

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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby patricktaylor » 16 Mar 2010, 10:21am

hubgearfreak wrote:
patricktaylor wrote:The more trendy something is, the more it looks dated later on.


mine's doomed then. although it's not very complex. it has what's required by law and a fuel gauge - that's packed in :lol:

:lol: But that looks more functional than trendy. What does a new one look like? If a new one looks the same as an old one, it's not trendy.

I know what I'm talking about, BTW. I'm a design guru and that's official (as it tells you lower down on that page).

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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby GrahamNR17 » 16 Mar 2010, 10:39am

I need to have a mid-life crisis. Right now. I feel the need for carbs and points and push rods and leaf springs and torsion bars and and and... things like that :oops:

WHERE'S MY MID-LIFE CRISIS :evil:

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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby Mick F » 16 Mar 2010, 10:48am

GrahamNR17 wrote: carbs and points and push rods and leaf springs and torsion bars and and and... things like that :oops:

The thing is, I was doing all that in my twenties and thirties AND forties!
Minis (lots), Imps (a couple), Triumph Herald, Triumph Spitfire, Humber Sceptre, Hillman Hunter, more Minis...........
Been there, seen it, done it!
I've "grown up" now. Pity really. :(

GrahamNR17 wrote:WHERE'S MY MID-LIFE CRISIS :evil:

AFAIK, I haven't had mine yet ............
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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby patricktaylor » 16 Mar 2010, 10:55am

Mick F wrote:... AFAIK, I haven't had mine yet ............

It starts in May, doesn't it Mick? :lol:

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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby MikewsMITH2 » 16 Mar 2010, 10:56am

OK Graham,
Here's your daily dose: :)
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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby GrahamNR17 » 16 Mar 2010, 11:03am

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I've died, haven't I? Is this heaven? :?

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Re: Automotive complexity

Postby Mick F » 16 Mar 2010, 1:36pm

patricktaylor wrote:
Mick F wrote:... AFAIK, I haven't had mine yet ............

It starts in May, doesn't it Mick? :lol:



GrahamNR17 wrote:I've died, haven't I? Is this heaven? :?

This is what I'll be thinking on the Infernal Raleigh Chopper in May!
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