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glueman wrote: I'd ban anyone using the word nazi simply for being an attention seeking drama queen.

Hoisted by your own petard...
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Re: Troll poll

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Glueman's and Kwacker's room of their own

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Edwards wrote:
kwackers wrote:I don't know - you'd need to ask a scouser. (I only cycle in scouseland)


You do surprise me. I thought being Scouse would explain your argumentative streak. I have even seen you be argumentative with people when you are agreeing with them. :roll: :lol:

It might surprise you to know that I'm not argumentative, nor do I take myself seriously. I'm infinitely more argumentative on this forum than in real life. :wink:

As for being argumentative with people I agree with, 'tis of course possible I've misunderstood their post, or they mine. Something I'm sure we'd all agree happens a lot.
TBH, I'm not very good at explaining myself, I have a command of the language that is insufficient to express what I think. Some folk on here on the other hand are excellent and can very eloquently and clearly explain themselves (even when they're wrong :lol: ).

My beliefs boil down to live and let live - unless if affects others.
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Re: Troll poll

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glueman wrote:The forum could also consider getting rid of its Tea Shop. If ever things kick off on a board it's usually in the AOB/coffee bar area, idle hands and all that. Real trolls are easier to spot in the specialist areas, the Tea Shop is usually the place people pick a fight. I don't know why sites have such areas unless it's to indulge bored minds.

Can I just point out something, ime on this site you're as much to blame for a lot of the hassle (particularly in the tea shop). Rather than indulge in any sort of considered debate you simply pop up and tell people they shouldn't bother.

A prime example of this is the religion debate, after a rocky start it settled down to a point where people were having what (for the subject matter) could only be described as a reasonable chat when up you pop - not to talk about religion but simply to tell everyone how wrong they were to discuss it, then popping up again to tell everyone you'd been right when a couple of posters disagreed.

You obviously have a high opinion of yourself so why not indulge us with some genuine discussion? Surprisingly, overall I have a high opinion of you, you're eloquent and capable of putting forward reasoned arguments (and your model trains were fantastic) the only thing I don't understand is why you feel the need to put down any topic you don't like with pithy remarks - why not just keep quiet and stay out?
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Re: Troll poll

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glueman wrote:And you've been bottling all that up..? Have you ever thought this might be your problem? If I see a group being pilloried in a tabloid way because someone thinks they can throw their weight around I'm happy to point the fact out.

Bottled up? I've got better things to think about - just seemed an apt thread to mention it in...

Presumably then your objection to the tea shop is what then? It's too "tabloid"? Why object? Why not simply stay away, given the number of posts in here (it's one of the busier sections) I'd suggest the majority of users probably like it - hey, even you are posting in here!

I'd love to know how you differentiate between you throwing your weight around ("this discussion has no place here", "the tea shop should be closed") and others expressing an opinion? If they're expressing tabloid views then why not point out what's wrong with them rather than an attempt at a clever put down?
Trolling by its very nature is someone popping up and making a crass statement without any explanation and no attempt to discuss, if it's off topic then that adds to the effect. Sound familiar?

What I suggest you do is start your own forum, be the mod and decide what can be written and what can't.
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glueman wrote:
kwackers wrote:
What I suggest you do is start your own forum, be the mod and decide what can be written and what can't.


So you believe you should be able to espouse any old nonsense and nobody take you to task for it?

That's my point though! You're not.
You're doing exactly what trolls do, in fact worse, rather than say "your wrong and here's why" or even the more trollish "your and idiot everyone knows XXX" you're simply coming in and saying "don't discuss this"

You're not taking anyone to task, it's like you can't be bothered in which case why even try?
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Re: Glueman's and Kwacker's room of their own

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glueman wrote:I don't understand. I've just been attacked and the responses have been hived off into a comedy area? If it's not a moderator's sense of humour I consider it trolling of the worst kind.

On the other hand I find it quite amusing.

Although I did consider the content relevant to the original subject, after all what exactly is a troll...
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glueman wrote:The thread is about what to do with trolls - eliminate Tea Shop and 90% of trolling would disappear. I don't assume it'll happen for one second.

Nonsense, trolling will occur in any subject that's either contentious, subjective or sensitive. Frequently the cleverer trolls will do it with subtlety and finesse such that whilst your gut tells you they're trolling its not enough to prove.

Whilst the tea shop does occasionally have contentious subjects, most of them appear in the main forums, hats, rlj'ing, pavements, road tax etc along with some lighter humorous stuff like single panniers, fixies and hub gears.

I reckon there's much more trolling in those areas than in the tea shop by a long way.
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Re: Glueman's and Kwacker's room of their own

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- it's in the same part of the forum as the original thread, but has been removed from it because it had little to do with the OP.

- from an outside point of view it really does appear to be six of one and half a dozen of the other

- if you can treat the issues discussed in an abstract way then it could be a beneficial discussion about how people view posts directed at others as opposed to those directed at themselves - however, I understand that it can be very difficult to do this especially given the problems in communication that the internet imposes

- I think that humour is better than bad feeling. If the name of the thread upsets you then unreserved apologies it was not meant to - please let me know what you would like it called?

- i could have ignored it and then it would have run the risk of inundating the original thread, and of turning into a more personal exchange. I could have asked you all to just calm down and be extra careful how you phrase your messages such that you go out of your way to minimise the risk of any perceived insult but then would you have taken any notice of me? I could have locked the original thread, thereby depriving everyone else of their part of the original discussion. I could have just removed you two's posts, in which case I would have been been accused of heavy handed moderation. I could have chosen either of you and asked you to leave it out because you were crossing the line, but then which ever I chose would have listed the things that the other had said that also crossed the line and asked why I was targeting them specifically. etc etc

At the end of the day, you are both come over as nice, honest, intelligent people whose presence benefits the forum and whom I respect. But you disagree over some things. Hey, it's fine to disagree - to use the old cliche: life would be very boring if we all thought the same. Just because someone disagrees with us it doesn't mean that they are trying to be our enemies or are trying to put us down. Why not have a virtual handshake, say to each other that you are sorry if you have inadvertently upset the other in the past and agree to either a new start or to discuss your differences in a slightly more polite, respectful or abstract way? I guarantee that doing this will not be seen as a sign of weakness, rather it will earn you more respect.

Apologies if this all sounds patronising - as Kwackers says, we are not all gifted with the same ability of eloquent communication as some. It's not meant to be patronising, I just want to see everyone able to get on with each other and be able to use the forum without feeling spited.
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Re: Glueman's and Kwacker's room of their own

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Si wrote: as Kwackers says...


Hmmm, a bit rich when you started the thread. Perhaps you were also too busy to notice Nutsey making ya-boo sucks type comments and rapidly deleting them? Looks like there are tame trolls and untame ones.
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Re: Glueman's and Kwacker's room of their own

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glueman wrote:
Si wrote: as Kwackers says...


Hmmm, a bit rich when you started the thread.


Nope, sorry, not with you here. K suggested that some are not as eloquent as others. I agreed that I was probably one of those who isn't so eloquent, and so apologised if I didn't get my meaning across as well as I would have wanted to.

Perhaps you were also too busy to notice Nutsey making ya-boo sucks type comments and rapidly deleting them?


Correct. I was answering your post on here and your PM (and am now answering this) thus haven't been back to the other thread. If someone makes a post and immediately deletes I'm not sure what I can do about it?

Looks like there are tame trolls and untame ones.


See comments on the troll thread previous to the Troll Poll - it's take too long to type it all out again.
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Re: Glueman's and Kwacker's room of their own

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Let's talk facts. Kwackers took my general, on-topic point and turned it into an attack on him, presumably because of the stuff he'd been bottling up about my responses to him on some previous occasion. In fact I had a completely different poster in mind but if you read back what he said it ended with him telling me I should get my own board. That's an opinion. My deletion is because you decided to convert my responses to him into a comedy headline, which is unfair and inappropriate.
However I can take a hint and see which way the land lies.
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