Undercover police
Undercover police
We've all heard about the undercover officer who infiltrated the environmental group who were protesting about coal power stations.
It turns out another officer infiltrated another (largely pro-cycling) group as well, what really annoys me is that the Police do nothing about the dangerous drivers like modified car drivers yet those wanting to make the streets safer for cyclists and other road users are deemed "loony" and need investigating.
News story here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15372037
It turns out another officer infiltrated another (largely pro-cycling) group as well, what really annoys me is that the Police do nothing about the dangerous drivers like modified car drivers yet those wanting to make the streets safer for cyclists and other road users are deemed "loony" and need investigating.
News story here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15372037
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"While working undercover Jim Sutton married an activist with whom he had two children"
Sounds like another fraud too
Sounds like another fraud too
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Nothing like tarring everyone with the same brush, not everyone who modifies their car is a dangerous driver and do you honestly think the following?
gilesjuk wrote:the Police do nothing about the dangerous drivers
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gilesjuk wrote: what really annoys me is that the Police do nothing about the dangerous drivers like modified car drivers yet those wanting to make the streets safer for cyclists and other road users are deemed "loony" and need investigating.
News story here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15372037
To be fair, wasn't this "cycling group" actually an Environmental group protesting against a host of other things? I don't know if the undercover operation was necessary or not but the agenda of this group appears to have been a bit wider than just "cycling". Hardly a corrupt undercover penetration of CTC or British Cycling is it?
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DavidT wrote:To be fair, wasn't this "cycling group" actually an Environmental group protesting against a host of other things? I don't know if the undercover operation was necessary or not but the agenda of this group appears to have been a bit wider than just "cycling". Hardly a corrupt undercover penetration of CTC or British Cycling is it?
No. But is this the kind of group we expect the police to be covertly infiltrating?... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reclaim_the_Streets (that rhetorical question is not directed at you, Nutsey ) It's not what I want my taxes spent on.
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Having had dealings with this group in their early days (and involved in some of their activities), I can understand actually why the police may have had an interest in them.
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Bacchetta Corsa 26 ATT (The Mad Weeble)
Cube SL Team Cross (Rubberduckzilla)
Homebaked tourer (The Duck's Dream)
MTB mongrel (Harold the Flying Sheep)
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As a normal, free and honest citizen, I'm all for undercover police. The security of this country and its citizens is paramount.
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bensonboo wrote:Nothing like tarring everyone with the same brush, not everyone who modifies their car is a dangerous driver and do you honestly think the following?gilesjuk wrote:the Police do nothing about the dangerous drivers
What I mean is they do nothing to infiltrate the groups of drivers who modify cars to the point of making them illegal. The drivers who intentionally want to avoid Police hassle (ie. enforcing the law) by sharing information on forums.
I would say most who modify cars are intending to improve the handling and speed of their car as well as their looks. Many are speed freaks, there's many young (largely male) drivers who kill themselves or their passengers every year.
http://www.accidentsdirect.com/car-acci ... risks.aspx
"Across the UK many young people have become increasingly interested in modifying their vehicles in order for them to be not only more eye-catching but also much more powerful. This use of power-boosting techniques has prompted the AA to speak out about what they see as a threat to the users of these modified cars and other road users.
AA Chairman Edmund King noted that many people had begun to fit nitrous oxide systems in to their cars, which in some cases can double the brake horsepower of the vehicle.
Nitrous oxide is used to pump more oxygen and fuel into the car’s engine, which will affect how quickly it burns, causing an upsurge in power.
Mr King said that the increasing use of such systems amongst relatively inexperienced drivers was a recipe for disaster because cars with such extreme power would be harder to control on the road."
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I wonder if the police infiltrate the groups who advocate damaging speed cameras? Their loonier members burn the cameras.
What is the difference between advocating running over cyclists or garotting us with wires across paths, and suggesting riots? Do Clarkson or Parris deserve four years stir?
What is the difference between advocating running over cyclists or garotting us with wires across paths, and suggesting riots? Do Clarkson or Parris deserve four years stir?
It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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whoops wrote:As a normal, free and honest citizen, I'm all for undercover police. The security of this country and its citizens is paramount.
The Stasi would have loved you.
It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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They were in East Germany, I believe.Mike Sales wrote: ... The Stasi would have loved you.
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Mike Sales wrote:whoops wrote:As a normal, free and honest citizen, I'm all for undercover police. The security of this country and its citizens is paramount.
The Stasi would have loved you.
What! As well as the wife?
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Mike Sales wrote:whoops wrote:As a normal, free and honest citizen, I'm all for undercover police. The security of this country and its citizens is paramount.
The Stasi would have loved you.
Precisely
How "normal" to think the state cares about it's citizens. These tools of the state are to protect the state and it's interests, not ours. But I suppose thinking that makes me abnormal and fair game for the goons.
thirdcrank wrote:They were in East Germany, I believe.
What difference does that make?
"A functioning police state needs no police.”
William S. Burroughs
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gilesjuk wrote:bensonboo wrote:Nothing like tarring everyone with the same brush, not everyone who modifies their car is a dangerous driver and do you honestly think the following?gilesjuk wrote:the Police do nothing about the dangerous drivers
What I mean is they do nothing to infiltrate the groups of drivers who modify cars to the point of making them illegal. The drivers who intentionally want to avoid Police hassle (ie. enforcing the law) by sharing information on forums.
I would say most who modify cars are intending to improve the handling and speed of their car as well as their looks. Many are speed freaks, there's many young (largely male) drivers who kill themselves or their passengers every year.
http://www.accidentsdirect.com/car-acci ... risks.aspx
"Across the UK many young people have become increasingly interested in modifying their vehicles in order for them to be not only more eye-catching but also much more powerful. This use of power-boosting techniques has prompted the AA to speak out about what they see as a threat to the users of these modified cars and other road users.
AA Chairman Edmund King noted that many people had begun to fit nitrous oxide systems in to their cars, which in some cases can double the brake horsepower of the vehicle.
Nitrous oxide is used to pump more oxygen and fuel into the car’s engine, which will affect how quickly it burns, causing an upsurge in power.
Mr King said that the increasing use of such systems amongst relatively inexperienced drivers was a recipe for disaster because cars with such extreme power would be harder to control on the road."
But I would counter that those drivers adding nitrous oxide to their cars would be a tiny percentage of modifiers and even then, the police cannot afford to infiltrate groups of drivers just to improve on speeding tickets, I've no doubt that if information came about regarding serious organized speeding of a regular occurence (think Japan's Midnight racers) then they would act on it.
Incidentally, what is wrong with improving the handling of your car, is that not a safety benefit... Looking at the article you linked, there are doubts as to the point you are making.
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