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Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 16 Apr 2012, 11:11pm
by snibgo
That's just the capital cost. Running costs are extra.

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 16 Apr 2012, 11:12pm
by horizon
There's an idea that keeps slipping away in this thread. And that is that not owning a car is beneficial. No matter how much people say they need it, no matter how much people say that they are jobless without it, no matter how much people say that they couldn't get to hospital or see their grandchildren without one, no matter that there are certain journeys that would be impossible to make without car, the fact remains that not owning car might be a liberating, practical, economical and thoroughly life enhancing course of action. The OP has jumped first. I think more of us should seriously consider it, not for the sake of others (though that is important enough) but for our own happiness and well being.

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 16 Apr 2012, 11:13pm
by snibgo
horizon wrote: ...I thought all cyclists dreamt of nothing else other than dumping their car but I suppose this is a very balanced forum with people from all walks of life talking about daily realities not pipe dreams.

It may be worth remembering that even in the bike-nirvana Netherlands, car-miles outnumber bike-miles by around 10:1. (The UK ratio is nearer 100:1.) If the UK magically overnight achieved NL levels of cycling, this would reduce car mileage by only around 10%.

Worth doing of course, but barely denting the problems that (IMHO) cars cause.

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 16 Apr 2012, 11:15pm
by horizon
snibgo wrote:Worth doing of course, but barely denting the problems that (IMHO) cars cause.


snibgo: my point is not that it might help society or the environment, my point is that it might help oneself.

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 16 Apr 2012, 11:16pm
by snibgo
I can't keep up with this thread.

Totally agree with your last*, horizon. Cycling instead of driving is great for the individual (and also, as it happens, for society). Becoming car-free can be totally wonderful for the individual.

EDIT: your last two posts.

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 16 Apr 2012, 11:19pm
by horizon
snibgo wrote:I can't keep up with this thread.

Totally agree with your last*, horizon. Cycling instead of driving is great for the individual (and also, as it happens, for society). Becoming car-free can be totally wonderful for the individual.

EDIT: your last two posts.


And just to keep up the pace :D (I've just read alyrpal's exercise thread), it isn't just not driving, it's not having or owning a car at all.

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 16 Apr 2012, 11:28pm
by JohnW
Vorpal wrote:.........If, for example, we were to power our cars on wind energy...............


If you listen to motorists discussing cyclists, you'd think the cars were powered by hot air.

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 17 Apr 2012, 12:41am
by songsforpolarbears
Life is definitely a bit tougher, harder. I am finding I need to be more organised, set off earlier (cycling is most certainly not quicker than driving in West Cumbria) and, of course, make it up those hills!

I got rid of my TV 3 years ago - being 'sans voiture' has had a much greater impact on my life. I have found the change 'bigger'.

Riding my bike is so much more, umm, how can I put it... spiritual compared to driving. Little, meaningless things happen that perhaps put the cherry on the top of all the benefits of scrapping the car that have been discussed. Take my emergency stop on my way home from work this evening...

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Officially shopping for a lighter, speedier bike. Something to shoot along the tarmac. Mudguards, pannier rack, dynamo lighting all required. I think this will cut down my choices? I don't see these items packaged with road bikes often?

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 17 Apr 2012, 12:47am
by meic
When a road bike has those things affixed, it has normally grown up into an Audax bike. :lol:

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 17 Apr 2012, 2:23am
by songsforpolarbears
meic wrote:When a road bike has those things affixed, it has normally grown up into an Audax bike. :lol:


After reading this useful thread - viewtopic.php?f=5&t=25650&start=0 I can confirm, yes, that's EXACTLY what I'm looking for, thanks.

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 17 Apr 2012, 7:12am
by Reigncloud
meic wrote:That is £4,000 for 25 years of car use!

I think there may be a catch there, like losses in transmission and cost of infrastructure.


New turbines these days are all more than 3MW (up to 8MW offshore), so assuming 1.5MW probably accounts for any losses due to transmission or intermittent wind.

Is 24W really correct though? Seems very small.

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 17 Apr 2012, 7:35am
by mrjemm
songsforpolarbears wrote:Officially shopping for a lighter, speedier bike. Something to shoot along the tarmac. Mudguards, pannier rack, dynamo lighting all required. I think this will cut down my choices? I don't see these items packaged with road bikes often?


Some great bike shops in your region Songs- Keswick Mountain Bikes do road too (above the Lakeland Peddler vege cafe!) and Ghyllside in Ambleside top for touring fare (and plenty of fine munching about there too, note my theme). But not an easy ride to get there, and no trains from the west either... Need a car! (Joking!).

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I thought the suggestion for a moment, was for cars to have their own turbines on them! I remember years ago seeing a catamaran like that which could actually go straight into the wind! (Unless they were cheating for the thick yokels at the East Coast Boat Show and had one of em noo-fangled infernal combustionisers).

Edit- Not the one, but same concept- http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-ene ... -wind.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/selkovjr/4189525835/

Or we could have land yachts on the roads... Would need rather wider ones though. Hmmm.

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Strange, some people's definition of selfish. I remember once getting accused of being this by a religious type for my desire to not breed. How odd.

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 17 Apr 2012, 7:54am
by danfoto
mrjemm wrote:Strange, some people's definition of selfish. I remember once getting accused of being this by a religious type for my desire to not breed.


Hah! We got exactly the same stupid comment 30 years ago when we got wed!

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 17 Apr 2012, 7:59am
by Edwards
I can not keep up either, now we have turbines and people breading. I am sure he would struggle to put out kw of power on his bike. Can you do the other while riding a bike?

Maybe Songsforpolarbears could start another thread for those of us interested in his experiences, one that does not get diverted?
I love the picture of the ducks. Did they end up in the turbine? :wink:

Re: First day of NOT owning a car tomorrow

Posted: 17 Apr 2012, 8:12am
by reohn2
mrjemm wrote:Strange, some people's definition of selfish. I remember once getting accused of being this by a religious type for my desire to not breed.


Selfishness isn't always intrincally bad for everyone but the self.