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Does anyone else find........

Postby reohn2 » 4 Mar 2013, 11:00am

.........the Roman Catholic church anything more than a charade?
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Re: Does anyone else find........

Postby kwackers » 4 Mar 2013, 11:01am

reohn2 wrote:.........the Roman Catholic church anything more than a charade?

I think you're being far too kind... :wink:

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Re: Does anyone else find........

Postby meic » 4 Mar 2013, 11:04am

Why single out the Catholic Church? :wink:

The organisations and hierarchies of the religions tend to be rather dubious but quite a lot of the individual members are OK.
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Re: Does anyone else find........

Postby reohn2 » 4 Mar 2013, 11:11am

kwackers wrote:
reohn2 wrote:.........the Roman Catholic church anything more than a charade?

I think you're being far too kind... :wink:

It's in my nature :)
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Re: Does anyone else find........

Postby reohn2 » 4 Mar 2013, 11:13am

meic wrote:Why single out the Catholic Church? :wink:

The organisations and hierarchies of the religions tend to be rather dubious but quite a lot of the individual members are OK.

Agreed,but it's in the news again as such an obviously flawed system as to be unable to escape scrutiny :wink:
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Re: Does anyone else find........

Postby mrjemm » 4 Mar 2013, 11:46am

We plan to visit the Vatican when in Rome later this month. Want me to pop by and have a chat with them about it?

If this was the reign of the Papal Pitbull, I wonder how bad it's gonna get with the new guy.

Come to think of it, I've not seen any adverts in the press, so I think they're not advertising externally... I reckon they should.

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Re: Does anyone else find........

Postby hexhome » 4 Mar 2013, 2:28pm

Well if we are going to be this controversial - I could wear a helmet or just pray :twisted:

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Postby 661-Pete » 4 Mar 2013, 2:57pm

hexhome wrote:Well if we are going to be this controversial - I could wear a helmet or just pray :twisted:

Yes, but which way do you face to pray? Towards Sakai*, or Vicenza**?

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Re: Does anyone else find........

Postby dodger » 4 Mar 2013, 7:18pm

You need to differentiate between the Church and the hierarchy. The Church is actually the people, and there should be no question about allowing them to believe and practice their religion. It's not the Church that is the problem.
However, the hierarchy, as in all large organisations, are often more interested in power - just watch the jockeying to be the next pope.
The biggest problem with the Catholic Church has been the power imbalance between the clergy and the congregation. Those who can wield some sort of power over others and do so to satisfy their own gratification are not just in the Catholic Church but appear everywhere, including, it seems, the BBC. The Catholic Church clergy, however, that have abused others have a particularly unpleasant streak, exacerbated by the frustrations of supposedly being celibate, and they have used their supposed holiness to keep people quiet, just like Jimmy Savile used his celebrity status.
Ever watched the Magdelene Sisters film?? So accurate a picture of some of the clergy (including nuns and monks, especially the infamous Christian Brothers)
BUT - they're not all like that, even though sometimes you wonder!!

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Re: Does anyone else find........

Postby jezer » 4 Mar 2013, 7:38pm

mrjemm wrote:We plan to visit the Vatican when in Rome later this month. Want me to pop by and have a chat with them about it?

If this was the reign of the Papal Pitbull, I wonder how bad it's gonna get with the new guy.

Come to think of it, I've not seen any adverts in the press, so I think they're not advertising externally... I reckon they should.

Quite right, I was going to apply for the job, but as an atheist I fear I might not have made the shortlist :lol:
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Re: Does anyone else find........

Postby mrjemm » 4 Mar 2013, 7:46pm

Which would surely then be excluding you on religious grounds, which is a big no-no!

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Re: Does anyone else find........

Postby meic » 4 Mar 2013, 7:49pm

Somebody who is infallible, speaks to god and does what he truly believes is right and considers himself a Saint already. Has bought peace to the Middle East, scourged dictators and ended poverty, discrimination and disease

Step Forward: Pope Tony Blair. :lol:

Unfortunately the vacancy came up a bit too early for him.
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Postby jezer » 4 Mar 2013, 8:40pm

Of course, Tony Blair, the ideal man for the job. Oh hold on, I don't expect it pays enough :shock:
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Re: Does anyone else find........

Postby 661-Pete » 4 Mar 2013, 11:34pm

Cherie, then? :shock:

Seriously, though, I think the office of Pope should be held in abeyance, sine die. Maybe if the Catholic Church can be forced to put its affairs to rights without one, it will discover that it doesn't need one after all.
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Re: Does anyone else find........

Postby meic » 4 Mar 2013, 11:39pm

You cant really be a Papist without a Pope!
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