The Mindset of Waste

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freeflow
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Re: The Mindset of Waste

Postby freeflow » 13 Sep 2013, 9:46am

I put profit between commas to indicate that it is a general term not just monetary. For waste management I'd argue that the 'profit' of ease and convenience for the user is probably the bigger challenge to address.

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hubgearfreak
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Re: The Mindset of Waste

Postby hubgearfreak » 13 Sep 2013, 10:00am

reohn2 wrote:I could write a book about it,and probably would if it didn't cause so much paper waste :wink:


it's what i did my dissertation on. 'market based instruments vs. command and control techniques in waste reduction', or something like that. as you say, when sainsbury gave the labour party a £2m donation before they came to power in 1997, it may have affected their judgement on the interpretation of the EU directive on producer responsibilty obligations.

as for the current lot doing any better, don't hold your breath. :evil:

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Re: The Mindset of Waste

Postby mrjemm » 13 Sep 2013, 10:07am

I can see what you're getting at, Freeflow, but still don't truly see it to be the case, as it's not always more convenient, for example, the water bottles are upstairs, but they go and get new ones rather than fill them up in the office.

I think maybe routine's got something to do with it maybe- the ones that use the gym will fill bottles and take them in there, but use disposables at the desk still. Absurd.

In the mess there are glasses and cups, but folk will use paper cups still. And disposal is harder- the bin needs opening, whilst the kitchen staff take your dirty plates & glasses & cups from you!

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Re: The Mindset of Waste

Postby freeflow » 13 Sep 2013, 10:13am

Hi mrjemm. You are probably having difficulty in because you don't give 'profit' a sufficiently wide scope. Maybe the profit gained by getting a bottle of water from upstairs is a longer diversion from work, the exercise benefit of going upstairs, the health and safety duty to have a break from you desk every hours or so, the perceived 'health' benefit of bottled vs tap water, the benefit of socialising opportunities etc etc.

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Re: The Mindset of Waste

Postby reohn2 » 13 Sep 2013, 10:13am

easyroller wrote:On a cycling and waste related note - I don't get people who throw away punctured inner tubes! They'd rather put in a new one rather than take the small amount of time to repair one. Such a waste. This seems to be a much larger phenomenom in the "roadie" cycling world. Sure tubes are pretty cheap, but not as cheap as a repair kit (as little as £1 from Wilko) that will repair five or more punctures!


It's the "cost" of affluence :?
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Re: The Mindset of Waste

Postby mrjemm » 13 Sep 2013, 10:24am

freeflow wrote:Hi mrjemm. You are probably having difficulty in because you don't give 'profit' a sufficiently wide scope. Maybe the profit gained by getting a bottle of water from upstairs is a longer diversion from work, the exercise benefit of going upstairs, the health and safety duty to have a break from you desk every hours or so, the perceived 'health' benefit of bottled vs tap water, the benefit of socialising opportunities etc etc.


Aha. Thanks. Makes 'sense'ish. I could counter most, but yes, there could well be other aspects to doing so; perhaps eyeing up the treats in the chiller (nasty cheese and 2 day old boiled eggs at the mo, but...).

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Re: The Mindset of Waste

Postby BeeKeeper » 13 Sep 2013, 11:03am

Like the health giving benefits of nipping outside for a fag. I passed a place on an industrial estate this morning and the road was full of folk having a drag. I guess they were not allowed to do it on the premises so they stood in the road. At least they had to walk a few yards so got some exercise.

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Re: The Mindset of Waste

Postby reohn2 » 13 Sep 2013, 11:35pm

hubgearfreak wrote:........as for the current lot doing any better, don't hold your breath. :evil:

I'm breathing freely :)

it's what i did my dissertation on. 'market based instruments vs. command and control techniques in waste reduction', or something like that.

Sounds impressive,how much paper did you waste :mrgreen:
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