Bike-and-train touring

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gbnz
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Re: Bike-and-train touring

Postby gbnz » 9 Jan 2020, 2:06pm

Oldjohnw wrote:
gbnz wrote:
50sbiker wrote:Bizarre,on so many levels...You do seem stuck in the past an MPd have hang ups with sections of society for oddball reasons.What is the connection between people smoking and post industrial conurbations..Do countryside folk not smoke then?....And since pubs etc banned smoking years ago it is not a problem any way.


The connection between post industrial conurbations, c/w significant sections of society being affected by ill health, smoking, low levels of educational achievement and benefit based lifestyles is well attested. And it's absurd to suggest that you have to be in a pub to be affected by such people.

I was in Newcastle last night waiting for a bus, the only person not smoking amongst perhasp 70-80 in the station. And walking down to the gym this morning, the fag smoke in the air, coarse, grey faced, deformed people lurching down the road with their dogs. The coarse language and behavioural types they exhibit may be interesting to observe, but not at all pleasant when one's obliged to remain in close proximity to such people.

Having been brought up, lived and worked throughout most of my life in more advanced parts of the country, it's impossible not to note how unpleasant post industrial areas and substantial parts of the population they contain are. And from a cycling perspective, it's absurd to suggest that cycling in such areas doesn't affect the pleasure of a ride :wink:


This elderly Geordie feels really uplifted now!


Yes, but like me you had the sense to get out :wink: . Suppose I haven't been in Berwick Upon Tweed since Monday, but obviously in terms of landscape, history and people, it's very different to the North East Wastelands :wink:
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Re: Bike-and-train touring

Postby PH » 9 Jan 2020, 2:14pm

SA_SA_SA wrote:Given the cycle 'provision' on the new IEPs and others, and the need to book on most Mainland franchises, I wondered about buses/coaches: but even with motorways they seem a lot slower than expected. I think my limit on a bus/coach would be 3 hours :)

I did Derby > Santander in September by coach via London>Paris>Bilbao, 23 hours there and 26 back, which was quicker than my companions who took the ferry and I had change out of £100 for the entire trip. It wasn't the most luxurious of travel, it wasn't the worst either and I'll do it again.
I'll jump on a train quite often while touring, sometimes I'll camp two nights in one place and do a city trip by bus or train for a break, or sometimes I just want to cut the distance. I'll sometimes travel somewhere and ride home, if for some reason I don't ride all the way I'd rather skip the last bit which I'm more likely to be familiar with. Derby is pretty well served for trains, I've never failed to get home even without any prior planning, including twice on bus replacements, but then I'm pretty familiar with system.

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Re: Bike-and-train touring

Postby Oldjohnw » 9 Jan 2020, 2:23pm

gbnz wrote:
Oldjohnw wrote:
gbnz wrote:
The connection between post industrial conurbations, c/w significant sections of society being affected by ill health, smoking, low levels of educational achievement and benefit based lifestyles is well attested. And it's absurd to suggest that you have to be in a pub to be affected by such people.

I was in Newcastle last night waiting for a bus, the only person not smoking amongst perhasp 70-80 in the station. And walking down to the gym this morning, the fag smoke in the air, coarse, grey faced, deformed people lurching down the road with their dogs. The coarse language and behavioural types they exhibit may be interesting to observe, but not at all pleasant when one's obliged to remain in close proximity to such people.

Having been brought up, lived and worked throughout most of my life in more advanced parts of the country, it's impossible not to note how unpleasant post industrial areas and substantial parts of the population they contain are. And from a cycling perspective, it's absurd to suggest that cycling in such areas doesn't affect the pleasure of a ride :wink:


This elderly Geordie feels really uplifted now!


Yes, but like me you had the sense to get out :wink: . Suppose I haven't been in Berwick Upon Tweed since Monday, but obvioulsy in terms of landscape, hisory and people, it's very different to the North East Wastelands :wink:


I left in the 1980s. I grew up seeing bomb damage all around and he terrible decline of traditional industry. Then the dreadful 1960s and 1060s urban development. You are right: I escaped to the country. I haven't been in Berwick though apart from the station, the butcher - and I sing evensong in the parish church - for a few weeks.
John

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Re: Bike-and-train touring

Postby Slowroad » 12 Jan 2020, 9:07pm

The Guardain does it the easy ( expensive , cheat?) way

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2020 ... ianTodayUK
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Having spent hours the last few days planning a really quite short trip not nearly that far, I do have sympathy with people who go for that organised option! Although I'd not want to do it even if I could afford it (I don't think...?)
“My two favourite things in life are libraries and bicycles. They both move people forward without wasting anything. The perfect day: riding a bike to the library.”
― Peter Golkin

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Re: Bike-and-train touring

Postby PH » 14 Jan 2020, 10:55am

I've never planned a bike & train tour, other than using the train to the start or getting back, all my other in tour train trips have been unplanned. However the revamped Interrail Pass has tempted me to start looking at some possibilities and they're probably endless...
https://www.interrail.eu/en/interrail-p ... fbe7e42263

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Re: Bike-and-train touring

Postby nirakaro » 14 Jan 2020, 12:22pm

Certainly endless possibilities. Herself and I Interrailed from Leeds to Italy and back last summer, and had a great time. It did involve humping two loaded bikes on and off thirty-six trains – some easier than others – but you get used to it.
TIP: If you don't want to cycle over the Alps, you can take your bike on local trains through the tunnel between Modane and Bardonecchia (takes about twenty minutes), but they only run at weekends. Ticket office closed, ticket machines can't do international tickets, no conductor on the train, so it was free. Both ways. About three other people on the train – you can see why it doesn't run on weekdays.