Touring from 12th April?

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Touring from 12th April?

Postby 1982john » 23 Feb 2021, 11:24am

"Domestic holidays will be allowed in England as soon as 12 April, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has today confirmed,"

Is this going to include Wales as well?

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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby Enigmadick » 23 Feb 2021, 11:34am

No. Although Wales has been an English colony for many centuries it has its own parliament which is allowed to make its own piddling little rules about Covid and the like. Listen out for new rules from druid Drakeford any time now.

In reality Wales is playing a way smarter game than England by not setting firm dates too far ahead.
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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby eileithyia » 23 Feb 2021, 11:53am

We are waiting to see if we might be able to go to Scotland, but not sure it will be soon-ish am assuming England to begin with....
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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby rotavator » 23 Feb 2021, 12:49pm

1982john wrote:"Domestic holidays will be allowed in England as soon as 12 April, Prime Minister Boris Johnson has today confirmed,"

Is this going to include Wales as well?


I suspect that when travel restrictions are lifted in England there will be a flood of day trippers into Wales so the pressure will be on WAG to either follow suit or look weak and foolish. I can't see road blocks being set up at the border or the police being out in Snowdonia booking hundreds of motorists for flouting Welsh laws. As it is, many people, I assume that most are local residents, are ignoring the "can't travel by car or public transport to start of exercise" law and the police are only fining a few people, at least that what I gather from talking to people and the local media and seeing lots of cars parked along the coast and at the dog walking hot spots.

The next issue will be when holiday accommodation with shared facilities, e.g. campsites and hostel, will open. It looks as if hotels and guesthouses will open first.

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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby Tangled Metal » 23 Feb 2021, 1:10pm

Can I just point out that these are not firm dates just the earliest dates these changes can happen? If the state of the various infection measures used isn't sufficiently low for each stage of the roadmap then those dates will be pushed back. In effect there are no dates given only anticipated dates based on current trajectories and sage guidance. If you want to book places on such doubtful dates then that's up to you.

Of course it also means that the general population has already been acting like some of these measures are in place. A popular local walk was full of large groups of multiple families and bubbles walking together without distancing whereas the weekend before there were none of these. The only difference was the announcement that the day after they were up there boris was going to announce the road map.

t's been the same right through the pandemic. Whenever a leaked reduction in the restrictions gets into the media people act like it's in place already and even go further than what actually happens.

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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby matt2matt2002 » 23 Feb 2021, 1:44pm

Enigmadick wrote:No. Although Wales has been an English colony for many centuries it has its own parliament which is allowed to make its own piddling little rules about Covid and the like. Listen out for new rules from druid Drakeford any time now.

In reality Wales is playing a way smarter game than England by not setting firm dates too far ahead.


And Scotland. Data driven. Not date driven.
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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby Psamathe » 23 Feb 2021, 2:46pm

Tangled Metal wrote:Can I just point out that these are not firm dates just the earliest dates these changes can happen? If the state of the various infection measures used isn't sufficiently low for each stage of the roadmap then those dates will be pushed back. In effect there are no dates given only anticipated dates based on current trajectories and sage guidance. If you want to book places on such doubtful dates then that's up to you. .....

Maybe you overlooked one aspect ... Johnson.
Already (one day later) we are getting
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/23/boris-johnson-very-confident-all-covid-restrictions-end-21-june wrote:Boris Johnson 'very optimistic' all Covid restrictions will end on 21 June
Boris Johnson has said he is “very optimistic” all restrictions on normal life in England will end on 21 June ...

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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby simonhill » 23 Feb 2021, 3:10pm

Keep 'em coming, but Tangledmetal's word's are the bottom line:

"that these are not firm dates just the earliest dates these changes can happen"

Plenty of time for some slippage.

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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby Traction_man » 23 Feb 2021, 8:12pm

Quite a handy graphic from the beeb.
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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby matt2matt2002 » 23 Feb 2021, 9:11pm

Traction_man wrote:Quite a handy graphic from the beeb.
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Nice. Thanks.
I couldn't see one for Scotland. Do you know if there is one?
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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby matt2matt2002 » 23 Feb 2021, 9:19pm

simonhill wrote:Keep 'em coming, but Tangledmetal's word's are the bottom line:

"that these are not firm dates just the earliest dates these changes can happen"

Plenty of time for some slippage.


Indeed.
I appreciate hope must be given to counteract the restrictions but I wonder if by having stated those dates it will be harder to extend the various lockdown stages.

Here in Scotland, it's data driven, not date linked/ driven.
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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby Traction_man » 23 Feb 2021, 9:21pm

matt2matt2002 wrote:
Traction_man wrote:Quite a handy graphic from the beeb.
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Nice. Thanks.
I couldn't see one for Scotland. Do you know if there is one?


I've not seen one for Scotland yet, when it comes I hope the BBC add it and also norn iron too for us over here...

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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby Jdsk » 23 Feb 2021, 9:24pm

Traction_man wrote:
matt2matt2002 wrote:
Traction_man wrote:Quite a handy graphic from the beeb.
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I couldn't see one for Scotland. Do you know if there is one?

I've not seen one for Scotland yet, when it comes I hope the BBC add it and also norn iron too for us over here...

The new plan for Scotland, but only in words:
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-02-23/how-lockdown-will-end-in-scotland-as-nicola-sturgeon-announces-route-map-for-easing-restrictions

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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby Traction_man » 23 Feb 2021, 9:27pm

Jdsk wrote:
Traction_man wrote:
matt2matt2002 wrote:I couldn't see one for Scotland. Do you know if there is one?

I've not seen one for Scotland yet, when it comes I hope the BBC add it and also norn iron too for us over here...

The new plan for Scotland, but only in words:
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-02-23/how-lockdown-will-end-in-scotland-as-nicola-sturgeon-announces-route-map-for-easing-restrictions

Jonathan


Just spotted this on BBC
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Re: Touring from 12th April?

Postby matt2matt2002 » 23 Feb 2021, 11:42pm

Many thanks
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