Android tablet and gpx file - navigating

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Re: Android tablet and gpx file - navigating

Postby Sweep » 29 Jul 2016, 12:11pm

I looked up your phone on amazin bikes4two.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-review ... geNumber=2

Some very varied/divergent reviews to put it mildly.

Can you explain/shed light on this?
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Re: Android tablet and gpx file - navigating

Postby Gattonero » 31 Jul 2016, 6:01pm

I do recommend Viewranger, it is an excellent app. http://www.viewranger.com/en-gb
You can use it offline, by choosing an area and downloading a selection of "tiles" of a given area, so there's no need to waste money in internet connection.
It also have a power-save function to set the Gps at intervals, and it does indeed help in saving the battery. There's plenty of other features too.

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Re: Android tablet and gpx file - navigating

Postby bikes4two » 8 Aug 2016, 11:10pm

Sweep wrote:I looked up your phone on amazin bikes4two.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-review ... geNumber=2

Some very varied/divergent reviews to put it mildly.

Can you explain/shed light on this?


Hi sweep,
Apologies for not responding sooner to your post - I've been busy catching up with domestic chores after returning from a 1000 mile tour along EV5 in which I used my DG700 to navigate the whole way and very successful it was too.

I'm hoping to find time to write a full review of the phone but in short it performed well in all respects, including in the rain and whilst I never actualy run the battery flat, I reckon it would have given me 9.5 - 10 hrs runtime in airpane mode (and maybe 1 - 1.5hrs less than this if I'd kept the SIM services active all day).

There were only two issues worth mentioning
1. One day I stupidly left the phone on and parked up in the hot midday sun and parked on the handlebars whilst I took lunch (about 34degC AND inexplicably decided to top up the phone battery with the cache battery - it was going to be a long day and at that stage I wanted to be doubly sure the phone remained charged - anyway, the phone was in charging mode, and it's black and it overheated - no surprise really :shock: and the 'distress' caused LocusMaps to wipe the off-line maps and tracks - oops! I had backup copies thank goodness, but lesson learnt and I didn't let the overheat situation occur again (Locus Maps allows the battery temperature to be displayed over the maps, a feature I had not previously switched on :oops: ).
NB - whilst the bike is being ridden, the flow of air across the DG700 kept it well below the 40degC battery alarm level

2. Midday sun glare - the combination of weak cartographic delineation (road colours were in low contrast with respect to the map back-ground) and screen reflection did make the screen difficult to see at times. This is not because the screen isn't bright enough, but mainly down to reflection. In practice this is overcome by either tilting the phone in the handlebar bracket, and/or shielding the sun from the screen with a hand.

Those AMAZON comments - I've only had a quick read through and of the negative comments all I can say is that I've NOT experienced ANY of those issues reported although I don't think the phone comes with a handbook, or at least not much of one - just a quick start guide I think, but I've used these sort of phones for some years now and therefore didn't have any problems.

What I can say is, if for some reason I lost my DG700, I'd be out gettting the exact same model again and without hesitation - I love it :)
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Re: Android tablet and gpx file - navigating

Postby mjr » 9 Aug 2016, 6:23pm

OSMand~ is the best. RMaps can do it too: you precache by scrolling the map when you've got wifi and it'll use those tiles until you tell it otherwise.
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Re: Android tablet and gpx file - navigating

Postby Psamathe » 9 Aug 2016, 6:30pm

Gattonero wrote:I do recommend Viewranger, it is an excellent app. http://www.viewranger.com/en-gb
You can use it offline, by choosing an area and downloading a selection of "tiles" of a given area, so there's no need to waste money in internet connection.
It also have a power-save function to set the Gps at intervals, and it does indeed help in saving the battery. There's plenty of other features too.

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I've given up on ViewRanger. For ages each update has been just adding new Social Media functionality. I've had to put in explicit blocks (network level) to stop it connecting to their own servers every time it runs (it runs Ok without connecting - bit slower start but otherwise fine - seems they just want to keep tabs on you ...).

Their offering has been surpassed by other apps (on the iOS platform). When I did use Android I found Back Country Navigator the best app but that was some time ago.

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Re: Android tablet and gpx file - navigating

Postby freeflow » 9 Aug 2016, 6:57pm

Smartphones have very shiny screens. It's very helpful if you apply an antiglare screen protector. This does slightly dim the screen for normal use but imho is well worth the effort.

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Re: Android tablet and gpx file - navigating

Postby bikes4two » 9 Aug 2016, 9:35pm

Further to my contribution a few posts up:

1. The DG700 battery life: today I was out for a long ride so I thought I'd see what runtime I could get out of the battery.
- Started with battery at 92%
- LocusMap pro running, WiFi off but SIM active
- Screen on at 60% brightness for the first 4hrs then 90% for the remainder of the ride
- exception to the above is phone screen and GPS system off for about 1.5hrs during various refreshment breaks
- 10 hrs later, almost to the minute, the battery died

2. Those Amazon comments and further thoughts - the comments were from those who almost certainly bought the DG700 as a phone whereas I bought it as a GPS device. As a phone it's probably not much to write home about and from my very limited foray into using it as a phone, Mrs B4t says phone calls could be better quality and I can attest that the camera is pretty poor too. I have a limited number of apps on the phone nd they all work perfectly but I'm not one for games and from the phone spec, it's probably not great for this.

Some reviewers appeared to have serious problems (I wonder if this is down to the user 'rooting' the phone - a common event in some user communities) - maybe this is down to poor quality control / QA at this price point? All the more reason fom buying from a source that will refund/exchange a faulty item
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Re: Android tablet and gpx file - navigating

Postby mjr » 10 Aug 2016, 11:58am

bikes4two wrote:Some reviewers appeared to have serious problems (I wonder if this is down to the user 'rooting' the phone - a common event in some user communities) - maybe this is down to poor quality control / QA at this price point? All the more reason fom buying from a source that will refund/exchange a faulty item

Far far more likely to be due to poor quality control. Rooting a phone is unlikely to cause problems in itself and I feel the scaremongering from some manufacturers (including refusals to offer any support for rooted phones) is more about retaining/exerting control than any technical aspect.

All rooting means is opening the phone up and taking full control of it, like opening a sealed-unit part on a bike. Opening doesn't itself break anything unless the manufacturer booby-trapped it, although of course some people may then proceed to break it after they opened it, such as removing limits and operating it beyond specifications: removing the low limit screw from your rear derailleur doesn't itself break it... but shifting into the spokes will.
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Re: Android tablet and gpx file - navigating

Postby Sweep » 11 Aug 2016, 8:47am

Many thanks for thecreply bikes4two.

I am looking for a practical (as opposed to stylish/snob value) smartphone but may pass on this after your kind reply. I already have a gps (etrex 20) and like its use of standard batteries.

All the best.
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Re: Android tablet and gpx file - navigating

Postby bikes4two » 11 Aug 2016, 7:13pm

mjr wrote:......... Rooting a phone is unlikely to cause problems in itself and I feel the scaremongering from some manufacturers (including refusals to offer any support for rooted phones) is more about retaining/exerting control than any technical aspect.

All rooting means is opening the phone up and taking full control of it, like opening a sealed-unit part on a bike. ............


Well, I'm pleased that you have found rooting to be that easy :D

Whilst I've been out of the IT world for a few years now, I'm no fool on the software front (or at least, I don't think I am :?: ) and rooting a phone is most definitely not straight forward and it is all too easy for the un-initiated to 'brick' a phone.

On the other hand, with your wallet at the ready I guess there are high street shops and market vendors who will do this for you?

And don't get me on unlocking iPhones either - I'll burst into rant mode - oops, there I go, completely off topic :oops:
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Re: Android tablet and gpx file - navigating

Postby edocaster » 12 Aug 2016, 11:49pm

bikes4two wrote:
I got mine from Gearbest dot com's EU warehouse but I note it's out of stock but give Amazon and eBay a whirl.

WARNING - DON'T repeat DON'T get one from a China/non-EU based source as you'll end up paying +20% on the purchase price :(


I had such a terrible experience buying from Gearbest (my first and only time) that I've sworn never to use them again. In fact, I think I might not be able to.

Last year I tried to buy a small tablet PC. The ordering process seemed fine, and then I had a fairly long wait for a package from China. Then it arrived... a small package... which contained... an android 'smart phone' of very low spec, worth about half or less what I had ordered. How they could mess up my first order I had no idea. So I tried to explain it to them, to ask them to send the correct item. They replied extremely slowly, asking for minor details of what I had received (such as the weight and the 'item code' of what I had received - even after I had already sent extensive photos). This sounded immediately fishy, as I knew my PayPal rights were ticking away.

Eventually, they told me to send the package to a warehouse in New York - at my expense. This left me with no choice but to start a PayPal dispute, partly as I needed to ensure I had some protection after sending the package out, otherwise I could have nothing in hand, and no chance of compensation. Gearbest then said: 'I have tried to apply RMA for you, it is unsuccessful because you have opened a case, now we need you close the case and we could refund you. If you don't want to close the case, you need to wait for paypal judgement. This will last a long time. We need your trust.'

This was almost a month after the problem occurred. If I listened to them I would be a complete mug, as closing a PayPal dispute means closing it forever.

To cut a long story short, I sent the package back with photo evidence and tracking. PayPal eventually refunded me, but not without some headaches on that side. Gearbest told PayPal that I should send the package back... to an address in China... after knowing I had sent it to New York. PayPal initially refused to refund me, but after I appealed it was decided in my favour and the money returned to my account...

...but then a few days later PayPal said that decision had been reversed... with no explanation. But they never did reverse the refund in my account, so my suspicion is that PayPal doesn't want to damage a big customer like Gearbest with too much negative feedback. It's not in PayPal's interest.

Anyway, I daren't use Gearbest again...

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Re: Android tablet and gpx file - navigating

Postby bikes4two » 15 Aug 2016, 9:50pm

edocaster wrote:
bikes4two wrote:
I got mine from Gearbest dot com's EU warehouse but I note it's out of stock but give Amazon and eBay a whirl.

WARNING - DON'T repeat DON'T get one from a China/non-EU based source as you'll end up paying +20% on the purchase price :(


I had such a terrible experience buying from Gearbest (my first and only time) that I've sworn never to use them again. In fact, I think I might not be able to.

Anyway, I daren't use Gearbest again...


Oh dear me, that is a very bad shopping experience for sure :roll:

I've now bought 4 chinese phones - 3 from Gearbest (EU warehouses) and one from an Aliexpress re-seller(Chinese warehouse)

The Gearbest supplied phones were all absolutely fine so I've no experience of trying their complaints procedures.

However :cry: , the phone bought through AliExpress was a real pain in the ar*e in that the phone worked EXCEPT for the GPS function (which is what I bought it for - it wasn't a Doogee DG700 BTW but some other brand). I went through all sorts of hoops with the AliExpress re-seller including a bit of a try-on from them, but I stuck rigidly to the AliExpress complaints process and after a couple of months I got a full refund except for the cost of returning the item to China (about £17). It was not a positive shopping experience.


Would I buy Chines again! Yes if the capital outlay was not great and the cost savings were significant, otherwise I would think through my alternatives very carefully :?
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