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Re: Parish Churches

Postby brynpoeth » 14 Sep 2018, 6:18pm

I would like to visit Cornwall but I am a bit scared of not being able to leave :?
Cycling-of course, but it is far better on a Gillott

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Re: Parish Churches

Postby Cunobelin » 14 Sep 2018, 6:50pm

brynpoeth wrote:I would like to visit Cornwall but I am a bit scared of not being able to leave :?


I have been to Cornwall many times, and am probably going back for a week or so in October / November

There is a secret to escaping:


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Stick one of these one your bumper / mudguard and they think that you are local and let you out

(PS the moderators may soon be banning my posts as "Kernowist"

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Re: Parish Churches

Postby brynpoeth » 14 Sep 2018, 6:54pm

Cunobelin wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:I would like to visit Cornwall but I am a bit scared of not being able to leave :?


I have been to Cornwall many times, and am probably going back for a week or so in October / November

There is a secret to escaping:


Image

Stick one of these one your bumper / mudguard and they think that you are local and let you out

(PS the moderators may soon be banning my posts as "Kernowist"

My car is red, I plan to paint a huge Ddraig Goch on the bonnet. Not sure how that would go down in the south west corner of England :wink:
Cycling-of course, but it is far better on a Gillott

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Re: Parish Churches

Postby Cunobelin » 14 Sep 2018, 9:18pm

brynpoeth wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:I would like to visit Cornwall but I am a bit scared of not being able to leave :?


I have been to Cornwall many times, and am probably going back for a week or so in October / November

There is a secret to escaping:


Image

Stick one of these one your bumper / mudguard and they think that you are local and let you out

(PS the moderators may soon be banning my posts as "Kernowist"

My car is red, I plan to paint a huge Ddraig Goch on the bonnet. Not sure how that would go down in the south west corner of England :wink:



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Re: Parish Churches

Postby Hobbs1951 » 15 Sep 2018, 6:33am

I'm in the Tamar Valley next week visiting old friends in their remote house, however today friends and I are cycling eastward and visiting the Betjeman church of St Margaret's at Huttoft (Lincolnshire).

Betjeman church you ask (or the curious amongst you will) ? This church was the inspiration for JBs second Lincolshire Poem A Lincolnshire Church.

If you know Betjeman you'll know the poem.

John.

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Re: Parish Churches

Postby Cunobelin » 15 Sep 2018, 7:30am

Hobbs1951 wrote:I'm in the Tamar Valley next week visiting old friends in their remote house, however today friends and I are cycling eastward and visiting the Betjeman church of St Margaret's at Huttoft (Lincolnshire).

Betjeman church you ask (or the curious amongst you will) ? This church was the inspiration for JBs second Lincolshire Poem A Lincolnshire Church.

If you know Betjeman you'll know the poem.

John.

St.Margaret,Huttoft


I have linked previously. One of my reference books is by Betjeman (Updated by Richard Surman)


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Re: Parish Churches

Postby brynpoeth » 15 Sep 2018, 8:46am

Plus One, just went to my poetry shelf, found a copy of Betjemans collected poems (1962)*, the poem mentioned is included

He was obviously influenced by Housman

My favourite is the railway poem, Ryme Intrinseca and Melbury Bubb

Anyone got their Pevsner to hand?

* plusminus, he wrote more poems later so the collection is incomplete
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Re: Parish Churches

Postby Hobbs1951 » 15 Sep 2018, 9:44am

Cunobelin wrote:
Hobbs1951 wrote:I'm in the Tamar Valley next week visiting old friends in their remote house, however today friends and I are cycling eastward and visiting the Betjeman church of St Margaret's at Huttoft (Lincolnshire).

Betjeman church you ask (or the curious amongst you will) ? This church was the inspiration for JBs second Lincolshire Poem A Lincolnshire Church.

If you know Betjeman you'll know the poem.

John.

St.Margaret,Huttoft


I have linked previously. One of my reference books is by Betjeman (Updated by Richard Surman)


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Strictly speaking not by John Betjeman, a refreshed version. I have the original (pub Collins, 1958) guide edited by Betjeman.

John.

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Re: Parish Churches

Postby Hobbs1951 » 15 Sep 2018, 9:49am

brynpoeth wrote:Plus One, just went to my poetry shelf, found a copy of Betjemans collected poems (1962)*, the poem mentioned is included

He was obviously influenced by Housman

My favourite is the railway poem, Ryme Intrinseca and Melbury Bubb

Anyone got their Pevsner to hand?

* plusminus, he wrote more poems later so the collection is incomplete


The Collected was first published in 1958, and like most collections is updated in later editions, and what you refer to is JBs poem Dorset (railway poem ?), I'm interested you think JB influenced by Houseman !?

John.

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Re: Parish Churches

Postby brynpoeth » 15 Sep 2018, 10:00am

Hobbs1951 wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:Plus One, just went to my poetry shelf, found a copy of Betjemans collected poems (1962)*, the poem mentioned is included

He was obviously influenced by Housman

My favourite is the railway poem, Ryme Intrinseca and Melbury Bubb

Anyone got their Pevsner to hand?

* plusminus, he wrote more poems later so the collection is incomplete


The Collected was first published in 1958, and like most collections is updated in later editions, and what you refer to is JBs poem Dorset (railway poem ?), I'm interested you think JB influenced by Houseman !?

John.

Yes I do, B wrote a poem "A Shropshire Lad" (p 53) and both write about the landscape and the past
During and after ww1 Housman was very popular (From Clee to Heaven the Beacon burns..), he must have influenced many people
I know H better than B, L* is my favourite
Alternative facts welcome

*Larkin
Cycling-of course, but it is far better on a Gillott

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Re: Parish Churches

Postby Cunobelin » 15 Sep 2018, 11:04am

Hobbs1951 wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:
Hobbs1951 wrote:I'm in the Tamar Valley next week visiting old friends in their remote house, however today friends and I are cycling eastward and visiting the Betjeman church of St Margaret's at Huttoft (Lincolnshire).

Betjeman church you ask (or the curious amongst you will) ? This church was the inspiration for JBs second Lincolshire Poem A Lincolnshire Church.

If you know Betjeman you'll know the poem.

John.

St.Margaret,Huttoft


I have linked previously. One of my reference books is by Betjeman (Updated by Richard Surman)


Image


Strictly speaking not by John Betjeman, a refreshed version. I have the original (pub Collins, 1958) guide edited by Betjeman.

John.


In my defence, I did state it was revised and by who. I bought this as it had a Kindle version and (a now defunct) App so that wherever I was with spare time, I could research locally

I prefer older books though, my Pevsner (Cornwall)l is second edition, the Muirhead guides are 1926, the Penguin guides are 1939 and my original Betjeman "In praise of Churches" is 1996 and I am still looking for an early version of the Collins Guide.

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Re: Parish Churches

Postby Hobbs1951 » 15 Sep 2018, 11:27am

brynpoeth wrote:
Hobbs1951 wrote:
brynpoeth wrote:Plus One, just went to my poetry shelf, found a copy of Betjemans collected poems (1962)*, the poem mentioned is included

He was obviously influenced by Housman

My favourite is the railway poem, Ryme Intrinseca and Melbury Bubb

Anyone got their Pevsner to hand?

* plusminus, he wrote more poems later so the collection is incomplete


The Collected was first published in 1958, and like most collections is updated in later editions, and what you refer to is JBs poem Dorset (railway poem ?), I'm interested you think JB influenced by Houseman !?

John.

Yes I do, B wrote a poem "A Shropshire Lad" (p 53) and both write about the landscape and the past
During and after ww1 Housman was very popular (From Clee to Heaven the Beacon burns..), he must have influenced many people
I know H better than B, L* is my favourite
Alternative facts welcome

*Larkin


I think JB more influenced by Hardy than Housman. Yes Housman was popular then, hardly read these days: I did my Master's on Larkin (when he was little known).

John.

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Re: Parish Churches

Postby Hobbs1951 » 15 Sep 2018, 11:29am

Cunobelin wrote:In my defence, I did state it was revised and by who. I bought this as it had a Kindle version and (a now defunct) App so that wherever I was with spare time, I could research locally

I prefer older books though, my Pevsner (Cornwall)l is second edition, the Muirhead guides are 1926, the Penguin guides are 1939 and my original Betjeman "In praise of Churches" is 1996 and I am still looking for an early version of the Collins Guide.


I have most of JBs work in First Edition (and reading copies), and the Shell Guides - at least the counties that interest me !

John.

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Re: Parish Churches

Postby brynpoeth » 15 Sep 2018, 12:05pm

Hobbs1951 wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:In my defence, I did state it was revised and by who. I bought this as it had a Kindle version and (a now defunct) App so that wherever I was with spare time, I could research locally

I prefer older books though, my Pevsner (Cornwall)l is second edition, the Muirhead guides are 1926, the Penguin guides are 1939 and my original Betjeman "In praise of Churches" is 1996 and I am still looking for an early version of the Collins Guide.


I have most of JBs work in First Edition (and reading copies), and the Shell Guides - at least the counties that interest me !

John.

Plusminus, the shell guides helped motorists discover the countryside :?
Cycling-of course, but it is far better on a Gillott

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Re: Parish Churches

Postby brynpoeth » 18 Sep 2018, 3:49pm

Plus One for Sir John, enjoyed "The Town Clerk's Views" ("he was, like all Town Clerks, from north of Trent"), reminds me of Larkin, Concrete & Tyres

Poetry is often funny and can say such a lot in a few words

What a shame we were forced to do it at school, put me off for decades :wink:
Cycling-of course, but it is far better on a Gillott