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Si wrote:The Mercian Way......lityle know gem through some wonderful countryside, esp along the Severn Valley. Some of the surfaces can be 'challenging'.


Bouncy-bike 'challenging', or doable on a tourer? This is local enough to me that the Mercian bit would make a leisurely Bank Holiday tour (or a more strenuous normal weekend).
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Si wrote:The Mercian Way......lityle know gem through some wonderful countryside, esp along the Severn Valley. Some of the surfaces can be 'challenging'.


Good suggestion, especially if you take the whole of NCN 45 from Salisbury to Chester (at one point I believe it was going to be called the Ancient Stones Cycle Route, but that fell by the wayside). Salisbury to Swindon is an unexpectedly lovely ride, and some of the roads over the western Cotswolds are great: hopefully it'll get better still when the Cotswold Canals restoration moves on and some of the busier sections in the Stroud valley can be diverted onto the canal towpath. I should write it up for cycle.travel some time, but until then here's a useful thread from a few years back: viewtopic.php?t=32658

On surface, when I tried the Wyre Forest section northwest of Bridgnorth last year it was basically unrideable; hopefully the Forestry Commission has repaired the damage since then.
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Yes, the surface does tend to vary over time and ive not done it for a while. If you have basic off-road riding skills and a tourer with robust tyres, and there hasnt been sustained heavy rain, then its 99% good. Ive used a galaxy and a one-down (marathon plus) and its all been rideable in the summer....although the bit by jackfield was less than comfortable when it was newly opened. On the other hand, the bit by chelmarsh was a real slog on an mtb in the winter.

The good thing is that if you take a os map with you you can bypass the dodgy bits on quiet lanes.

Im hopong todo it again on a gravel bike, which ought to be very well suited.
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Could I ask is it possible to ride the Lon las cymru on a touring bike . Thanks
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hondated wrote:Could I ask is it possible to ride the Lon las cymru on a touring bike . Thanks


Yes did just that a few years back. We did bypass some of the rougher off road bits to save time & energy
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hondated wrote:Could I ask is it possible to ride the Lon las cymru on a touring bike . Thanks

I used an aluminium road bike with a rack fitted and 25 mms tyres. I started in Bristol so did the route from Chepstow. The first but from Cardiff is supposedly rougher.
I think if you do a search on here for LLC there's a thread on where the rougher sections are.
If I get on a computer rather than a tablet I'll try and find it.
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nomisp wrote: North Norfolk cycleway

If you mean the Norfolk Coast Cycle Route, it combines nicely with the Two Rivers Route (regional 30 southern bit) to make a good 200ish mile circular tour with plenty of variety except mountains.
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hondated wrote:Could I ask is it possible to ride the Lon las cymru on a touring bike . Thanks


Discussion about the LLC road surface.
viewtopic.php?t=19714
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I’ve done a few and would recommend them all. LLC, Devon Coast to Coast, West Country Way and Cornwall Way are all amazing. The Pennine Cycleway is epic.
Lon Las Cymru has to be the top though. I did it on a light tourer with 28mm tyres. It’s all rideable. The coach road section is rough but not bad on a tourer. Have a look at my blog for more details if you want. :)
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1982john wrote:I find it interesting that there are dozens of books on day rides in Britain and lots of books devoted to LEJOG. There's a few dedicated to single tours like LLC and way of the roses but there doesn't seem to be a book which amalgamates the sort of tours being talked about here.


I think the idea of say a single volume does have some merit but the current examples (eg the Cicerone Yorkshire Dales) just string a series of day rides together in a non contiguous way. In my view the contents of such a book should allow either day rides or a linked series of rides making a longer trip. I'm not a Lejog fan but it can be split into shorter stretches you could tackle on an ad hoc basis or taken as longer or the whole.

Unlike say Germany's Romantic Road (@700km) most signed routes in the UK are quite short and don't make for much of a book/guide. For mile munchers many of the routes are but a short weekend rather than a 'proper' tour. The problem is that the UK is quite small, the rivers too short, the coasts too close.

A lot of the 'long' routes are just linked scenic roads with no real theme, we just don't have the equivalent of say the Marchenstrasse (Fairytale Road). There are potential themed routes but our rivers for example, very rarely have either lanes/tracks to follow or involve significant traffic loaded roads.

A bit of a loaded question - what Is a reasonable distance for a route? Would you be looking at days of 40 miles, 50? How many days? Just as importantly, would you purchase a book with a tour, for example, linking Yorkshire's Abbeys or Lincolnshire windmills?

Is there a market for the sort of Bikeline route / regional guides in the UK? I have quite a collection of those which i've used to inspire my tours and i've picked up others on my travels without necessarily any intention of following them. Lots of questions there.

To the question posed by the OP, the only signed route i've followed in the UK was the Hadrian's Wall route. It was okay but have to say the guide map was too focused on the route, places of interest close by ignored and in places less experienced riders may well be unhappy on the roads used.

A lot of the NCN is clearly designed to just get bikes off the roads and is of dubious suitability if you don't ride a mountain bike.
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"what Is a reasonable distance for a route? Would you be looking at days of 40 miles, 50? How many days? Just as importantly, would you purchase a book with a tour, for example, linking Yorkshire's Abbeys or Lincolnshire windmills? "

Short tours are, I think, ones that take a long weekend based on a traditional touring set up (not the new trendy bikepacking - nothing against but just a different philosophy). They can be tackled by people of reasonable fitness and on non-specialist bikes. You don't need the navigation skills of Ray Mears to follow the route and you shouldn't feel like you're about to get rear-ended by a lorry.

Appropriate distance is going to vary due to the terrain but anything from 80 hilly miles to 400 flattish could be a short tour? Like you say longer ones can be broken up.

"A lot of the NCN is clearly designed to just get bikes off the roads and is of dubious suitability if you don't ride a mountain bike."

I agree with you on the NCN routes having tried a couple and that is why I ended up doing my own thing for a long time.

I think there's a book in this. It would be niche of course but the amount of people I saw doing WOTR suggests there are lot of potential tourers out there.
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whoof wrote:
hondated wrote:Could I ask is it possible to ride the Lon las cymru on a touring bike . Thanks


Discussion about the LLC road surface.
viewtopic.php?t=19714

Thanks whoof
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foxyrider wrote:A lot of the NCN is clearly designed to just get bikes off the roads and is of dubious suitability if you don't ride a mountain bike.


I'd disagree with this. A lot of the NCN is designed to get bikes off "busy" roads, which means that sometimes these can go across off road sections. The vast majority of the routes I have ridden have been perfectly fine for road bikes. What the NCN doesnt do well is provide the quickest/most efficient way between locations. If you accept that (the longer routes at least) they are not going to be the most efficient you can follow for what they do do well, which is show you parts of the countryside. They are basically a decent meandering path through the countryside with odd routing choices to get past "busy" roads or town centres (for some reason). Knowing this allows alteration as required.
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honesty wrote:A lot of the NCN is designed to get bikes off "busy" roads, which means that sometimes these can go across off road sections. The vast majority of the routes I have ridden have been perfectly fine for road bikes. What the NCN doesnt do well is provide the quickest/most efficient way between locations. If you accept that (the longer routes at least) they are not going to be the most efficient you can follow for what they do do well, which is show you parts of the countryside. They are basically a decent meandering path through the countryside with odd routing choices to get past "busy" roads or town centres (for some reason). Knowing this allows alteration as required.

I'd agree with this. Most of them are fine, but there are a few shockers, plus they're often not direct. I'd also say that sometimes they meandered in order to go near enough to settlements to have helped Sustrans's Millenium Lottery grant aim of being within x miles of y% of the population. For example, after leaving the Norfolk Coast Cycle Route I mentioned earlier, Route 1 "northbound" heads south-west to Wisbech before heading north-west to Boston, jinking through extra villages to widen its catchment, taking 60 miles to do what's a 40 mile journey if you take KLWNBUG's Rivers Route (the former A17) and the B1359 between Route 1 at Lynn and Gedney.

What we really need is more direct town-to-town routes signposted, because it's absurd that there are pretty good country lane routes to Norwich taking about 48 miles but the shortest signposted route is over 70... but that would need money, highway signing authority political will and possibly the three highway authorities to accept that cyclists will cross major roads and a few easements may help.
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I've done most of the sustrans long distance routes and liked them all. They are a brilliant introduction to touring and a good way of deciding what you like in a trip. LLC is a good mix of great landscapes, castles and some challenging terrain, Lochs and Glens is majestic, Reivers has a great off road section or three, C2C is a short-sharp memorable ride, ideal for a long weekend, Coasts and castles is tranquil and historically interesting, PCW has some serious hills, Hadrians is slightly disappointing as you don't get very near the wall for much of it, Dales cycleway is for cake and climb enthusiasts, Wolds is another lovely weekend as is the Bay cycleway, Tour de Manche takes you across two ferries and mixes England and France... hard to choose a favourite. I now tend to use the NCN as a basis for my own tours and resources like cycle.travel to generate sensible routes.
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