McDonald's

[robing]

Should we not be boycotting Mac D?

Why?

[Cyril Haearn]

Should we not be boycotting Mac D?

Why?

For me especially, to save money and avoid increasing economic activity
Other reasons are available

[robing]

Should we not be boycotting Mac D?

Why?

For me especially, to save money and avoid increasing economic activity
Other reasons are available

If you want to boycott them, fine. But don't make it we.

[freiston]

Why?

For me especially, to save money and avoid increasing economic activity
Other reasons are available

If you want to boycott them, fine. But don't make it we.

You can count me in, Cyril Haearn

[mjr]

Which chain do you prefer for coffee?

I prefer independents. If pushed, then I’ll go to a Costa.

You may have noticed costa in the news the last day or two.
Not good.

What happened? I missed that among the news of the various current disasters.

I don't much like any chain. It's more interesting to visit the independents (look for a well-kept espresso machine behind the counter, ideally) and see what they serve. Sometimes it is big brand like illy or the so-so lavazza, but sometimes you get a local roaster like Wogan or Tropic which is very rarely in any chain coffee house.

[freiston]

I suspect the Costa news is this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49432367

[mjr]

I suspect the Costa news is this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49432367

It seems Costa have not been checking their franchisees closely enough but to their credit, they have responded to the latest allegations by starting another audit. I seem to recall many similar allegations about MacDonald's franchisees and the brand response was, essentially, that it was nothing to do with them and a matter for the franchisee, such as https://www.qsrweb.com/articles/mcdonal ... legations/ - has their behaviour changed since?

[Cyril Haearn]

I like to prepare my food myself as far as possible
How does one know whether the food at McX or in Les Quatre Saisons has been prepared in hygienic conditions?

[Sweep]

It seems Costa have not been checking their franchisees closely enough but to their credit, they have responded to the latest allegations by starting another audit. ?

That's standard issue.

Means nowt in itself.

An attempt to bury the story while hoping the media moves on to other things.

The other line from companies in the news for bad stuff is to issue the standard template: The welfare/interests of our *** is at the very centre of our corporate values/mission/bla bla bla.

These days the Nazi party would push the button to pump out such an electronic release.

[Bonefishblues]

It seems Costa have not been checking their franchisees closely enough but to their credit, they have responded to the latest allegations by starting another audit. ?

That's standard issue.

Means nowt in itself.

An attempt to bury the story while hoping the media moves on to other things.

The other line from companies in the news for bad stuff is to issue the standard template: The welfare/interests of our *** is at the very centre of our corporate values/mission/bla bla bla.

These days the Nazi party would push the button to pump out such an electronic release.

Ultimately I'm not sure if their Franchise Agreement would be able to regulate such things*, so whilst influence could be brought to bear, I wonder if they could actually do anything about it?

*Based on my doing some proof of concept work for a franchise scheme a fair time ago - interested to hear from anyone who has more recent experience.

Agree with comments re the PR elements of it - Costa's a very slick machine, and now under the Coca Cola umbrella too, remember.

[Sweep]

well all I know is that Costa have as yet not responded to the email I sent them ab out this.

Not even an auto reply.

They are of course just a "brand" "image" vacuum.

Don't know if they still do but they used to have an Italian language "tagline" about them being the heart of Italy or heart of something or other.

While actually being owned by Whitbread.

Which had long since relieved itself of the bother of actually brewing beer.

So in effect a financial machine/algorithm.

Now clearly owned bu some other bunch of financial whizzes.

As for Maccy D, I do sometimes wander in if foodless around London - using one of their ubiquitous £1.99 burger and fries discount vouchers.

But always regret it.

Bread like rubber.

Fries basically a medium for holding salt.

Can never understand why anyone would pay the full price for one of their salty fake chip burger meals with sugar fizz drink when you can pop in a spoons for a burger/jacket potato and fine beer.

For much the same price, with:

Proper table.

Not be blasted by strip lighting or may as well be.

Knife and fork and a plate - oo the wonder.

Often interestibg buildings and, yes, clientele.

Some sense of local area.

oh - and good coffee with endless free refills.

And don't insult my intelligence.

etc etc.

[robing]

All my point was that McDonald's are handy for cycle touring particularly when abroad for the reasons stated and on Sundays there might not be much else open.

[mercalia]

well all I know is that Costa have as yet not responded to the email I sent them ab out this.

Not even an auto reply.

They are of course just a "brand" "image" vacuum.

Don't know if they still do but they used to have an Italian language "tagline" about them being the heart of Italy or heart of something or other.

While actually being owned by Whitbread.

Which had long since relieved itself of the bother of actually brewing beer.

So in effect a financial machine/algorithm.

Now clearly owned bu some other bunch of financial whizzes.

As for Maccy D, I do sometimes wander in if foodless around London - using one of their ubiquitous £1.99 burger and fries discount vouchers.

But always regret it.

Bread like rubber.

Fries basically a medium for holding salt.

Can never understand why anyone would pay the full price for one of their salty fake chip burger meals with sugar fizz drink when you can pop in a spoons for a burger/jacket potato and fine beer.

For much the same price, with:

Proper table.

Not be blasted by strip lighting or may as well be.

Knife and fork and a plate - oo the wonder.

Often interestibg buildings and, yes, clientele.

Some sense of local area.

oh - and good coffee with endless free refills.

And don't insult my intelligence.

etc etc.

possible because Big Macs taste good and Wimpy bar type burgers dont? I'll have to try a Wetherspoons burger to see how it stacks up. You say same price £1.99? Possibly also location. They all have special names not Wetherspoons so matter of branding indentification?

[Spinners]

All my point was that McDonald's are handy for cycle touring particularly when abroad for the reasons stated and on Sundays there might not be much else open.

Yep, fully on board with you there.

[Cyril Haearn]

All my point was that McDonald's are handy for cycle touring particularly when abroad for the reasons stated and on Sundays there might not be much else open.

Yep, fully on board with you there.

I thought on Sundays, in Englandshire and Walesshire at least, most food stores were open