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Re: Longer term cycle touring in Europe after 2020

Posted: 14 Oct 2020, 9:25pm
by climo
pwa wrote:
simonhill wrote:This post is about next year and I suspect lots of forum members will want to head off across mainland Europe then. Just look at the interest shown on the withdrawn ferry post.

I appreciate you are talking about next year but right now the best case scenario is that a vaccine (or two) starts being used by next spring and by mid summer we may see some signs of reducing rates. If everything goes well we may be getting back to normal(ish) by the autumn. That is what I am telling myself. I want some hope but I don't want unrealistic hope.

I doubt if it'll be next year. Even if a vaccine is available then you have the horrendous job of vaccinating the entire UK and Europe. In the UK if you do 100k a day it'll take 650 days just to do us lot. That's assuming everyone shows up on time. If Bojo the Clown can't organise track & trace now then I would think 100k a day is optimistic. 20% won't have it due to antivax hysteria and will act as a reservoir ready to reinfect us all if, as in the case with flu, a yearly jab is needed.The gov can't even order the correct amount of flu vaccine each year so what hope covid.
The whole thing is utterly depressing and made much worse by the collective madness of brexit.

The bright side is that I've inherited an old dog so can't do a long tour until he dies. But today he went for his first trip in his new doggy trailer - total weight of dog and cart is 55kg!! So at least we can do day trips and maybe, just maybe, a 3 day tour and having towed a 55kg weight I should be fit a least.

Re: Longer term cycle touring in Europe after 2020

Posted: 14 Oct 2020, 9:31pm
by pwa
climo wrote:
pwa wrote:
simonhill wrote:This post is about next year and I suspect lots of forum members will want to head off across mainland Europe then. Just look at the interest shown on the withdrawn ferry post.

I appreciate you are talking about next year but right now the best case scenario is that a vaccine (or two) starts being used by next spring and by mid summer we may see some signs of reducing rates. If everything goes well we may be getting back to normal(ish) by the autumn. That is what I am telling myself. I want some hope but I don't want unrealistic hope.

I doubt if it'll be next year. Even if a vaccine is available then you have the horrendous job of vaccinating the entire UK and Europe. In the UK if you do 100k a day it'll take 650 days just to do us lot. That's assuming everyone shows up on time. If Bojo the Clown can't organise track & trace now then I would think 100k a day is optimistic. 20% won't have it due to antivax hysteria and will act as a reservoir ready to reinfect us all if, as in the case with flu, a yearly jab is needed.The gov can't even order the correct amount of flu vaccine each year so what hope covid.
The whole thing is utterly depressing and made much worse by the collective madness of brexit.

The bright side is that I've inherited an old dog so can't do a long tour until he dies. But today he went for his first trip in his new doggy trailer - total weight of dog and cart is 55kg!! So at least we can do day trips and maybe, just maybe, a 3 day tour and having towed a 55kg weight I should be fit a least.

Maybe at some point you can supply us with a photo of an old dog in a trailer to cheer us up.

Re: Longer term cycle touring in Europe after 2020

Posted: 14 Oct 2020, 9:52pm
by climo
no sooner said than done
He's too long for the trailer so I've added the wood at the front so he can stretch his legs through a flap under the door and not drag his paws. Useful when he gets out as well. Surprisingly the metal support doesn't foul the rear wheel.

Re: Longer term cycle touring in Europe after 2020

Posted: 14 Oct 2020, 9:59pm
by climo
climo wrote:no sooner said than done
He's too long for the trailer so I've added the wood at the front so he can stretch his legs through a flap under the door and not drag his paws. Useful when he gets out as well. Surprisingly the metal support doesn't foul the rear wheel.

Pre expedition shot prior to adding the wood. We call it Gus's Snack Shack as he's treated each time he gets in. :D

Re: Longer term cycle touring in Europe after 2020

Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 7:46pm
by st599_uk
climo wrote:
pwa wrote:
simonhill wrote:This post is about next year and I suspect lots of forum members will want to head off across mainland Europe then. Just look at the interest shown on the withdrawn ferry post.

I appreciate you are talking about next year but right now the best case scenario is that a vaccine (or two) starts being used by next spring and by mid summer we may see some signs of reducing rates. If everything goes well we may be getting back to normal(ish) by the autumn. That is what I am telling myself. I want some hope but I don't want unrealistic hope.

I doubt if it'll be next year. Even if a vaccine is available then you have the horrendous job of vaccinating the entire UK and Europe. In the UK if you do 100k a day it'll take 650 days just to do us lot. That's assuming everyone shows up on time. If Bojo the Clown can't organise track & trace now then I would think 100k a day is optimistic. 20% won't have it due to antivax hysteria and will act as a reservoir ready to reinfect us all if, as in the case with flu, a yearly jab is needed.The gov can't even order the correct amount of flu vaccine each year so what hope covid.
The whole thing is utterly depressing and made much worse by the collective madness of brexit.

The bright side is that I've inherited an old dog so can't do a long tour until he dies. But today he went for his first trip in his new doggy trailer - total weight of dog and cart is 55kg!! So at least we can do day trips and maybe, just maybe, a 3 day tour and having towed a 55kg weight I should be fit a least.
The plan isn't to vaccinate the entire country, just the vulnerable. Anyone under 50 is expected to make their own immunity.

Re: Longer term cycle touring in Europe after 2020

Posted: 15 Oct 2020, 7:52pm
by Jdsk
st599_uk wrote:The plan isn't to vaccinate the entire country, just the vulnerable. Anyone under 50 is expected to make their own immunity.

TTBOMK there isn't currently a plan.

But it's very likely that there will be prioritisation. Here's the current public version of the thinking:
"JCVI: updated interim advice on priority groups for COVID-19 vaccination"
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination

Jonathan

Re: Longer term cycle touring in Europe after 2020

Posted: 16 Oct 2020, 6:39pm
by Jamesh
climo wrote:
climo wrote:no sooner said than done
He's too long for the trailer so I've added the wood at the front so he can stretch his legs through a flap under the door and not drag his paws. Useful when he gets out as well. Surprisingly the metal support doesn't foul the rear wheel.

Pre expedition shot prior to adding the wood. We call it Gus's Snack Shack as he's treated each time he gets in. :D


Where are his pedals?

Does he use spd or look!!

Cheers James

Re: Longer term cycle touring in Europe after 2020

Posted: 16 Oct 2020, 6:54pm
by climo
Jamesh wrote:
climo wrote:
climo wrote:no sooner said than done
He's too long for the trailer so I've added the wood at the front so he can stretch his legs through a flap under the door and not drag his paws. Useful when he gets out as well. Surprisingly the metal support doesn't foul the rear wheel.

Pre expedition shot prior to adding the wood. We call it Gus's Snack Shack as he's treated each time he gets in. :D


Where are his pedals?

Does he use spd or look!!

Cheers James

He's a lazy passenger, no help at all. :(
40 years ago I had a St Bernard dog that I used to go camping with in the Rockies. Made him a set of panniers to carry his food and my stove, etc. He never got used to the extra wide and often got stuck between 2 trees. He also fell down a crevasse on a glacier once but that's another tale.