PH wrote:aflook wrote:I'm still humming and ha-ing,
Yes, it isn't easy!
I expect some of the differences are more subtle than you may be thinking.
The thing that strikes me in this thread is that the 20kg camping load has been a given. Now, I ain't telling anyone what to carry - I ain't buying it and I certainly ain't pedalling it. But if I was, I'd be asking myself if I was sure the kit should be dictating the bike, or if there was any compromise there. Whether taking a bit less might improve the bike choice, whether some of the bike money might be better spent on kit that saved a bit of weight. On most bikes I've owned, I can carry 15kg, carefully distributed, without it having an adverse effect and I weigh as much as you plus your kit to start with!
I'm not looking, but if I was, the Elan with a steel fork, 5 kg on the front, maybe in Gorilla cages and stuff sacks, and 10 kg on a lightweight rear rack would be something I'd want to check out, I don't know how that'd work out and there's only one way to find out.
I have been in the position of owning a the perfect expedition touring bike, absolutely loving it for that and resenting it for the other 95% of it's mileage. Choices, choices...
Indeed, indeed. The load is pretty much a given. I've tried different ways of reducing the weight, and I'm always a sucker for Ti camping gear, but in the end it's largely a matter of food. I can't afford not to cook for myself (nor would I want to) and always have to carry a reserve: being diabetic I worry, perhaps unduly, about getting caught without sufficient to keep me going. I also tour to enjoy the cultural landscape and carry clothes appropriate for visiting towns and villages. The altitudes necessitated warmer clothes, too.Plus all the cool-bags for the insulin, the pumps and sensors... Might ditch the coffee pot next time. I stopped using it last year when the temperatures climbed into the 40s and I wanted to get away in the cool of the morning.The first 15 or 20k felt pretty long sometimes when I was desperate for that first Espresso of the day!