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Re: Europe July.????

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mjr wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 12:09pm It was €1.20 before Boris's handling of the pandemic, in Feb 2020, so we've not even regained lost ground yet.
haha - there is always an anti-Boris point to be made!
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mattheus wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 9:23am
roubaixtuesday wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 8:24pm It's also notable that the quantification they provide on the risks of COVID far outweigh any potential risk if vaccinating - the PIMS risk alone gives 5 deaths per million. If vaccinating children have such a risk, dozens would have died in the US where over 10 million have been immunised.

Very poor decision IMO.
"immunised" - interesting word choice.
If you're going to respond, being gnomic doesn't help dialogue.
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roubaixtuesday wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 12:38pm
mattheus wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 9:23am
roubaixtuesday wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 8:24pm It's also notable that the quantification they provide on the risks of COVID far outweigh any potential risk if vaccinating - the PIMS risk alone gives 5 deaths per million. If vaccinating children have such a risk, dozens would have died in the US where over 10 million have been immunised.

Very poor decision IMO.
"immunised" - interesting word choice.
If you're going to respond, being gnomic doesn't help dialogue.
(is gnomic a gnomic word choice? I like it, either way.)

Well they're not immune, are they? And nobody has received an invite for an immunity jab, have they?
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They are immunised. It doesn't mean to make someone immune, but to bolster the immune system against a pathogen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunization

The word is more commonly used in other English speaking countries, and by translation than in the UK.

https://www.who.int/health-topics/vacci ... #tab=tab_1
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I am immune to such imported sophistry.
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What's the objection, please?

Immunisation v Vaccination, and if so why?

Or that the vaccination isn't totally effective so not all recipients are immune to the disease?

Thanks

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Jdsk wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 1:57pm What's the objection, please?

Immunisation v Vaccination, and if so why?

Or that the vaccination isn't totally effective so not all recipients are immune to the disease?

Thanks

Jonathan
See the bold text. Or see the first google result:
verb
past tense: immunised; past participle: immunised
make (a person or animal) immune to infection, typically by inoculation.
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Thanks.

But I don't understand what your objection is.

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I don't know the poster's intent, but it was the first time that I've seen jab recipients as "Immunised"; it's possible that would skew the assessment of jab pros/cons.
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Thanks.
roubaixtuesday wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 8:24pmIf vaccinating children have such a risk, dozens would have died in the US where over 10 million have been immunised.
It's common usage in that sense of "the thing has been done to them", eg:
"The UK Immunisation Schedule"
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... hedule.pdf

It doesn't mean "and have all been rendered immune to the disease".

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mattheus wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 12:41pm
roubaixtuesday wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 12:38pm
mattheus wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 9:23am
"immunised" - interesting word choice.
If you're going to respond, being gnomic doesn't help dialogue.
(is gnomic a gnomic word choice? I like it, either way.)

Well they're not immune, are they? And nobody has received an invite for an immunity jab, have they?
Next time if you could preface with [pointless semantic pedantry incoming], that would help, so I could completely ignore the gnomism.

Immunity is a gradation not a binary. Almost no vaccine confers total immunity, but nevertheless, "immunisation" is a commonly used synonym.

Degree of immunity inferred by vaccines against the various impacts of delta COVID as used in the modelling groups commissioned by sage:
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mattheus wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 12:41pmAnd nobody has received an invite for an immunity jab, have they?
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Jdsk wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 3:12pm
mattheus wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 12:41pmAnd nobody has received an invite for an immunity jab, have they?
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Jonathan
You couldn't infer that I meant for COVID? In a thread about a COVID pandemic? This is the sort of nonsense I predicted when I took the trouble to answer your question ... <sigh> ...
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What's the difference in the usage?

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roubaixtuesday wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 3:06pm
mattheus wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 12:41pm
Well they're not immune, are they? And nobody has received an invite for an immunity jab, have they?
Next time if you could preface with [pointless semantic pedantry incoming], that would help, so I could completely ignore the gnomism.

Immunity is a gradation not a binary. Almost no vaccine confers total immunity, but nevertheless, "immunisation" is a commonly used synonym.
Nevertheless, the common meaning of that word is what Google showed me, hence my copying it into this thread.

Sorry if you find that pointless, but most would agree that word choice matters; different synonyms rarely create identical impacts.
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