Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

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Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby BMG100 » 1 May 2009, 3:39pm

Hi,

I am trying to decide which touring tyre to purchase for my upcoming summer tour and I think I have narrowed it down to these two tyres, but I really can’t decide on which to get. They seem pretty similar to me and are in the same price range. If anyone has any experience or advice regarding these tyres it would be appreciated.

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby raybo » 1 May 2009, 4:04pm

I used the Schwalbe Marathon Plus on training rides through San Francisco (where I live) and on a tour through France last year. I didn't get a flat the whole time. However, the Marathon Plus tires are very heavy, don't grip well in wet weather, and made the bike a bit sluggish. The first time I rode on them it was foggy and every time I went over a painted strip, the bike slid. I won't buy them again.

I've also used Conti Touring tires and liked them. To prevent flats, I put tire liners between the tube and tire. I have heard that some people have had problems with Conti Touring tires (split tread after a few hundred miles) so be sure that you ride on them before you go on tour to make sure you got a "good" one.

I've also used Ultra Gatorskins (with tire liners) and found them to be good, as well.

Have a great tour!

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby Si » 1 May 2009, 4:07pm

I'd go along with raybo on the MP's reliability and slowness, but I've never noticed any lack of grip on the road. I also use them off road on paths and BPs and for a virtual slick they are pretty good.

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby Ivor Tingting » 2 May 2009, 11:24am

Depending on the type of surface you will be riding on you could consider Continental Travel Contacts or Specialised Armidillos All Condition Pros. You can get the Armadillos in pretty much any size altough the Conti TCs in only 28C and above. I have 28C on one of my bikes. I have had very good results with both these tyres. The Continentals have pretty good user feedback on CRC as well.

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby jags » 2 May 2009, 12:02pm

the marathon plus emm only good thing is there puncutre proof ,other than that useless .
but ive heard great things on the schwalble supreams,slicks that 's good on any surface that will do for me,
i use conti city contacts there pretty good ,oh i did have the plus ,there hanging up on a nail in the shed. :D

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby johnb » 2 May 2009, 1:40pm

jags wrote:the marathon plus emm only good thing is there puncutre proof ,other than that useless .
but ive heard great things on the schwalble supreams,slicks that 's good on any surface that will do for me,
i use conti city contacts there pretty good ,oh i did have the plus ,there hanging up on a nail in the shed. :D


Jags I think you should read the OP again the question asked was about a tyre for a summer tour, you described a pair of tyres as useless, that is your stated experience, but you have not toured as yet so your experience was of a tyre used on your thorn in and around Drogheda, which can hardly be described as a tour.



Contrary to what Jags has to say, I have toured on the Marathon plus and found them fine I then changed to the regular Marathon and found them much better, in fact probably the best tyre I have toured on, I used a set of marathons on a 4500 mile tour last year with front and rear pannies and camping gear touring through Ireland UK belgium France and Spain and back again without a puncture and I am still using them, so I can recomend them for touring. Regular Marathons are £15 each in spacycles £6 cheaper than the Marathon plus.

I would tend to use the Marathon plus for short about town cycling and the regular Marathons for touring, I have no experience of the Contis so no point in commenting just on what I have heard.
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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby jags » 2 May 2009, 4:59pm

and tell me this john ,in your part of the world does it not rain in the summer.
my experience with these crap tyres, is on all kinds of terraine,on wet tarmac there bloody dangerous .and i've put a lot of miles on them with my bike fully loaded, when you say i haven't toured yet, i havent camped yet.
the op wants to know from people who have used these tyres there oponion,im just giving him mine, as you are yours.
the conti's are way better ,there puncutre proof semi slick great grip on wet roads and there light compaired to marathon plus which weigh a ton.so to speak.

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby johnb » 2 May 2009, 8:30pm

jags wrote:and tell me this john ,in your part of the world does it not rain in the summer.
my experience with these crap tyres, is on all kinds of terraine,on wet tarmac there bloody dangerous .and i've put a lot of miles on them with my bike fully loaded, when you say i haven't toured yet, i havent camped yet.
the op wants to know from people who have used these tyres there oponion,im just giving him mine, as you are yours.
the conti's are way better ,there puncutre proof semi slick great grip on wet roads and there light compaired to marathon plus which weigh a ton.so to speak.


Yes Jags, in my part of the world it does rain in the summer, thats one of the reasons I use the marathon tyres, for good grip and road handling.

As to them being crap I would have to disagree with you there.

Maybe the loading of your bike, or your bike is your problem, and not the tyre.

As to the OP I read it as a request for a tyre for "a summer tour" e.g a long distance tour, not a day ride.

I dont know what the Conti your talking about weighs, but the Marathon I am speaking of weighs 580 grammes, just done a search for your conti city contacts and they weigh in at 550 grammes in the same size as mine ( hardly a ton of a difference between these two tyres), and it would appear the manufacturer does not recommend the city contacts for touring, as the name implies they are recommended for commuting/city cycling.

And thus far I do not think there has yet to be developed a " puncture proof" tyre as you state, maybe you know something the rest of the cycle touring world doesnt know
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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby johnb » 3 May 2009, 4:59pm

Jags/antokelly

the very negative review that you have given on this thread to the Schwalbe marathon plus tyre was according to you given on the basis of your use of these tyres "on all types of terrain, on wet tarmac, after putting many miles on them with my bike fully loaded" and you describe them as " Crap and bloody dangerous"

You state in a post of yours on Tl " is there many here useing marathon plus tyres,im thinking of changing mine simply because i dont trust them on wet tarmac okay i usually ride them at max pressure which dosent help
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Travelling_Light/index.php?s=bb98c416398cceb2b6d7867170918d55&showtopic=85&st=0

You state on TL " thank's everyone for the help.i see cyclingplus have reviewed tyres this month,and would you belive marathon plus came out on top it must have been a muppit's that done the review, he certainly diden't go at any speed round a wet corner,or he would have to get someone else to review the tyre but they also gave a good review on the conti top contact,so i think i'll go for them
[urlhttp://z10.invisionfree.com/Travelling_Light/index.php?showtopic=85&st=15][/url]

So if you like the Marathon plus you have to be a muppet

You also stae on Bikeforums " 55 sounds very low i inflate my marathons to 90psi on sun rhyno wheels ,running soft tyres can cause problems like pinch flats ,damage your rims, so put the max in them even with the full load on.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.ph ... nextoldest

On a post on Tl you state "simon i thought the same as yourself about the m/plus holding there pressure .but they dont really ,when i checked them for pressure before a ride i found they lost around 20lb,they felt pretty hard ,but im thinkink that's down to the puncutre belt .gives the feeling the tyres are rock hard. so check with a pressure gauge before your ride.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Travelling_ ... c=85&st=30

So it is obvious from these postings that you inflate your tyres to the max regardless of weather conditions. and checking your tyre pressure before every ride to ensure this. And you also state that "doing this doesnt help them on wet tarmac"

So this far you have complained about and condemned a tyre for poor handling and adhesion to a wet tarmac surface, when you admit yourself that by maximum inflation in these circumstances doesnt help. So what are you really complaining about the tyre, your incorrect inflation of them for riding on wet tarmac or is it your loss of confidence in them for riding on them in other circumstances other than what you have stated on this thread.

You post a warning on Bikeforums " to all schwalble marathon plus owners out there ,simple question really how do you find riding in the rain on these tyres,the reason i ask i came off my bike in january last ice on road broke my collar bone ,but ever since i've no faith on these tyres since that ,is it all in my head that they have no grip on wet roads.i can't say anything bad about them other than wet weather riding.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=189498&goto=nextoldest

bad start to the new year for your's truly,came off the bike yesterday hit some black ice came down like a ton of brick's . broke collorbone ,damaged a few rib's and neck other than that theres not a bother on me ,joke,
ill tell you folk's never ride without wearing a helmet ,i think because of it im here to tell the tale.
bye the way i think the bike is ok dident check it out yet im in to much pain.. http://z11.invisionfree.com/Tramp/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=607&view=getnewpost

reply disappered,,i checked my pressure i was up to 88 dident give myself much of a chance tyres way to hard for the condition's,
the bike went from under me way to easy, i reckon if i had them at min pressure i would have had some chance.lesson learned the hard way.
http://z11.invisionfree.com/Tramp/index ... =607&st=15

So it would appear that your loss fo faith and confidence came about when you crashed and broke your collarbone on black ice on a bike with the tyres inflated to the max, and way to hard for the conditions I am sure Schwalbe would not recommend these tyres for these conditions nor would any sensible cyclist, other factors possible in explaining poor handling in these conditions could also be the type of bike and your speed.

YOU CRASHED ON ICE , STOP BLAMING WET TARMAC


On the Thorn owners forum days before your crash you state "

hi all ,i have my new sherpa on the road at last ,the tyres im useing is schwalbe marathon plus
great tyres but heavy,can anyone recommend a good set of slicks i can use,only for everyday use (not touring)
bye the way im really happy the way the sherpa rides , i have to keep telling myself that im not on my carbon road bike and to ride a bit slower, its a lovely smooth ride looking forward to my first tour.
in the mean time i think ill try slicks ,see how they preform .the size im useing marathons 26/1.35on sun rhyno wheels, what size slicks should i go for.thanks..
http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=1595.0;prev_next=prev#new

So an admission of a tendecy to ride too fast on your first touring bike

You posted this on Bikeforums and if you check the date of posting its almost a year since your crash before you order new tyres, so they couldnt have been that bad Anto, "i have the marathon plus on my bike i hate them ,so i ordered the conti contacts haven't got them yet but they get good reviews from other users,and they dont cost 60 dollars ,so have a look at the conti's before you shell out all your hard earned bucks
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=482641&goto=nextoldest

Over a month after your crash on cyclechat forum you recommend "btfb listen forget about speed on a touring bike ,comfort with your 32 or 35 ,relia'bility in the tourers favourate tyre schwalbe marathon plus, i read somewere that 95 pressure is the sweet spot for these tyres,so my choice is smp "
http://www.cyclechat.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=9373&goto=nextoldest

And even as late as January of this year you say in this post on Bikeforums " my bike thorn sherpa, wheels sun rhyno ,tyres conti city contacts,(might use the marathon plus ) for use during a tour of France summer 2009
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=497545&goto=nextoldest

Imagine you would even consider putting a " crap, dangerous, unsuitable for any conditions tyre back on the bike you removed them from.

jAGS/ANTOKELLY, I use this forum and the reviews and suggestions in it to help me make decisions on the purchase of cycletouring equpment, as do many others, you do not do this forum or its members any justice by making remarks about products that you have used in circumstances they were not designed for nor do you do justice by omissions or facts that post elsewhere on the same product but do not include in you review/suggestions here on the same products.

You have used this tyre, inflated to the max, in conditions where you travelled across black ice, crashed and broke your collarbone.

You have admitted these facts on other forums.

You contact Schwalbe and by your own admission you complained about the poor adhesion of their tyres on wet surfaces. Did you make them aware that your crash was caused by black ice and over inflation of the tyres and not wet surfaces.

So rather than what you have posted here the reason for the negative review/suggestion is your dislike for a tyre that was not correctly inflated, not used in the conditions it is intended for, was used by someone who was having difficulty adopting from riding a roadbike to riding a loaded touring bike, was possibly riding the bike too fast for the prevailing conditions, and riding a bike which has a reputation for difficult handling, all of these factors contributed in your crash and subsequent fear of riding your bike in adverse conditions.

The plain fact of the matter is, the crash was your fault, so do not use a request from a forum user for advice on a tyre to offer your totaly unfounded untruths here, take it elsewhere, we rely on other posters views and experiences to help make our selection of equipment that we may tour in safety.



It is without doubt that your review and posting on the Marathon plus tyres was not made with this in mind.

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby Si » 3 May 2009, 5:33pm

Guys, guys, it's only a tyre, no need to get into any necessaries about it. I'm sure that given the number of posts on Marathon Plusses (do a search and you'll find plenty) on the forum that any unique views, one way or the other, will be swamped by the majority. So it's really not worth taking things to extremes. Can't we all just be excellent to one another?

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby Mattie » 3 May 2009, 9:14pm

Well done johnb,

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby barn » 4 May 2009, 9:45am

Well i think i will give my OPINION guys,i have been using marathons and found them good not a puncture in 3yrs and done over 10 000ks.Havent had any problems with wet weather done a tour in new zealand and got rained on a bit and no probs.I see no real reason to change they have done well for me so far.

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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby bikepacker » 4 May 2009, 10:25am

Having extensively used Marathons, Marathon Plus, Conti Top Touring and Touring 2000 tyres I am always suprised that my number one choice of touring tyre never gets a mention unless by me. IMO the Vredestein Perfect Touring http://www.vredestein.com/Tweewielers_B ... ndtypeID=2 700x28 for lightweight touring or 700x32 for fully loaded are better than most others. As Chickens are the importers most LBS should be able to get them.
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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby glueman » 4 May 2009, 11:07am

The best tyres are the ones that are inflated and rolling under you at the time. Worth remembering is tyres that are leaden and unyielding on a commuter become compliant even squishy under 4 loaded panniers.
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Re: Schwalbe Marathon plus vs Conti Touring Plus

Postby lukepinkhandbag » 4 May 2009, 5:30pm

The problem with the Conti tyres was at the bead where the reinforcing tape sometimes drifted radially during manufacture thus creating a weak spot that would split under heavy use and/or braking. Personally I stopped trusting Contis when they failed to address this manufacturing issue. Also had them on a new bike last year and didn't have time to change them before doing a wet Audax. Had the front wheel try to flip out whilst cornering then the back flew out and dumped me on the road with a broken thumb and much bruising - no I wasn't going too fast - I was in a bunch and no one else went down luckily. Never had any problems with Marathons have always found them a good reliable tyre and like anything else the weight difference is minimal when you consider the extra bacon butty you ate this morning. Only problem now is the incident last year has severely curtailed my cornering confidence on any tyre.