Hardknott, Wrynose and Winnats

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Hardknott, Wrynose and Winnats

Postby Mick F » 15 Feb 2012, 10:18am

If I were to cycle Up North this summer, I have a hankering to ride up to the Lake District and do Hardknott and Wrynose, then come down to the Peak District to do Winnats.

Are there any more whilst I'm at it?
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Re: Hardknott, Wrynose and Winnats

Postby Big T » 15 Feb 2012, 10:26am

Plenty of classic climbs in or near the Peak district. Holme Moss, Woodhead, The Strines, Snake Pass, Cat and Fiddle, Axe Edge and Gun Hill, to name a few.
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Postby PW » 15 Feb 2012, 11:17am

Sir William at Grindleford, Curbar Gap, Riber, any route out of the Derwent Valley near Matlock.........
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Re: Hardknott, Wrynose and Winnats

Postby Millhouse » 15 Feb 2012, 12:05pm

Take 'The Struggle' out of Ambleside onto Kirkstone Pass.

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Re: Hardknott, Wrynose and Winnats

Postby Michael R » 15 Feb 2012, 12:12pm

Tan Inn by Kirkby Stephen 1700 ft, Buttertubs, over to Ingleton or Kettlewell in the Dales . Roads at the Head of Dentdale

in Bowland Cross of Greet , Waddington Fell

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Re: Hardknott, Wrynose and Winnats

Postby Mick F » 15 Feb 2012, 12:24pm

Thanks guys, I knew you wouldn't let me down! :D

I did the Yorkshire Dales with the CycleSeven team last summer - Buttertubs, Kirkstone etc. Did the N York Moors and Rosedale Chimney a few years ago, and did Bowland Forrest loads of times as a teenager.

Never ever been to the Peak District, and only know the Lake District a bit, so those two places require me to explore!

I intend - though nothing's set in stone yet - to ride up to Lancs via my usual LEJOG route and stay with family, then "do" the Lakes, stay over again, then "do" the Peaks on my way southeast to Bedford - then home. I could do the Lakes over a day or three staying at a B+B/Pub so I can climb the hills without my heavy load, but do the Peaks on my way through fully loaded.

Time away will be the main concern, not the hills or the mileage.

Keep the ideas coming, and I'll try and work out some routes. Ta!
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Re: Hardknott, Wrynose and Winnats

Postby Millhouse » 15 Feb 2012, 12:30pm

Mick, Kirstone Pass is definately in the Lakes.
"Kirkstone Pass with an altitude of 1,489 feet is the Lake District's highest pass that is open to motor traffic. It connects Ambleside in the Rothay Valley to Patterdale in the Ullswater valley - the A592 road. There is another route from Troutbeck, which joins the Ambleside road at the Kirkstone Pass Inn.

In places, the gradient is 1 in 4. Brothers Water provides a picturesque view on the descent to Patterdale.

The Kirkstone Pass Inn stands close to the summit of the pass. Formerly an important coaching inn, it now caters primarily for tourists. It is the third highest public house in England." :D

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Re: Hardknott, Wrynose and Winnats

Postby Mick F » 15 Feb 2012, 12:43pm

Millhouse wrote:Mick, Kirstone Pass is definately in the Lakes.
:oops: I meant Fleet Moss! Sorry. :oops:
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Postby pau1ine » 15 Feb 2012, 4:12pm

Hartside in the North Pennines.
Highest cafe in England at 1903ft at the top of the pass - what more could you ask for?

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Postby rickwiggans » 15 Feb 2012, 6:24pm

While in the Lakes, maybe take a look at Honister, Newlands and Whinlatter, in addition to those you mention.

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Re: Hardknott, Wrynose and Winnats

Postby The Mechanic » 15 Feb 2012, 6:52pm

You could do the Fred Whitton Challenge Year round route. It starts in Coniston and takes in Hawkshead Hill, ( a gentle rise for your Cornish dwellers), Kirkstone pass via Holbeck Lane, Honister pass, Newlands pass, Whinlatter, Hardknot and Wrynose. In fact all six high passes plus loads of other stuff like Cold Fell. Approx 112 miles in total, a mere bagatelle for you Mick but a ride and a half for most of us. Your can check in at different points around the route and get a certificate if you want. Google Fred Whitton.
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Re: Hardknott, Wrynose and Winnats

Postby Mick F » 15 Feb 2012, 9:02pm

Thanks for that. Never heard of him!
Here's his route:
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Funny really, I was playing on BikeHike and BRT earlier this afternoon and came up with this:
http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com/Course. ... rse=352462
Fairly similar don't you think- though a little shorter.
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Re: Hardknott, Wrynose and Winnats

Postby The Mechanic » 16 Feb 2012, 10:16am

Good route Mick but you miss out Honister and Newlands. Both worth a few pedal strokes. You could include Honister and go straight on at Buttermere and pick up the route just past Lorton. You would miss out Newlands and Whinlatter but Honister will make up for that. Don't get carried away going down Honister towards Buttermere. Good men and women have lost lots of skin and bike bits going down that hill. In the FWC, the ambulances congregate there.
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Re: Hardknott, Wrynose and Winnats

Postby andrew_s » 16 Feb 2012, 1:38pm

Mick F wrote:Funny really, I was playing on BikeHike and BRT earlier this afternoon and came up with this:
http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com/Course. ... rse=352462
Fairly similar don't you think- though a little shorter.

Honister is definitely a better route than Whinlatter.
Both Whinlatter and Newlands from the Keswick side are relatively non-challenging in Lake District pass terms. Going up the Struggle direct from Ambleside to Kirkstone is also much more of a challenge than going round onto the Windermere to Kirkstone road.

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Re: Hardknott, Wrynose and Winnats

Postby rickwiggans » 16 Feb 2012, 1:51pm

andrew_s wrote:
Mick F wrote:Funny really, I was playing on BikeHike and BRT earlier this afternoon and came up with this:
http://www.bikeroutetoaster.com/Course. ... rse=352462
Fairly similar don't you think- though a little shorter.

Honister is definitely a better route than Whinlatter.
Both Whinlatter and Newlands from the Keswick side are relatively non-challenging in Lake District pass terms. Going up the Struggle direct from Ambleside to Kirkstone is also much more of a challenge than going round onto the Windermere to Kirkstone road.

Agreed, but Newlands from Buttermere is a bit of a pull, even though short, and the Newlands valley is really nice. Also, if Whinlatter appeals, then there are some nice minor roads up it from the Lorton side. As posted above, Winlatter from Keswick side is a bit of a main road slog.