New idea for navigating LEJOG?

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cycle tramp wrote:My personal issue is that the information that I would include in the audio description to myself may not match the visual clues to which I would be seeking whilst riding. It's very easy to say 'when in Bodmin turn right at the third bend' however without any visual clues and dealing with other traffic you may miss the junction or simply miss count it....

Yes.

And among the many extraordinary features of navigating by GPS is the rapid continuous correction and absence of cumulative error.

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ossie wrote:I'm not sure you need turn by turn navigation. I've never used it in a decade of touring using Garmins (Etrex Hcx and Etrex 20x )Just download your route and follow the pink line (or whatever colour), when zoomed in its quite easy.

The only turn by turn navigation I use is on my phone when I'm close to a camp site / accommodation that I've decided on at the end of the day that might be off my pre determined route.

I really like the countdown to junctions that I get with turn-by-turn. What's the downside... is it only limited capacity on particular devices?

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...what I did use for both my own leg journey was a map/route roller like this, http://www.vmccshop.net/route-roller-oxford-products I had used it in the past for a few audax events - the route sheet is placed between two polythene sheets attached to the rollers and then wound around the bottom roller... as you follow the instructions you move the paper upwards using the top roller... Because the paper is trapped between two polythene sheets its splash proof too (but NOT down pour proof!)
it's a bit expensive for what it is and I ended up using my own clamps to fit it to the handlebars but it worked ok and saved me time as I didn't have to keep checking maps...
..again if I went back group rides, written, instructions and over night touring I'd fit another
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cycle tramp wrote:...what I did use for both my own leg journey was a map/route roller like this, http://www.vmccshop.net/route-roller-oxford-products I had used it in the past for a few audax events - the route sheet is placed between two polythene sheets attached to the rollers and then wound around the bottom roller... as you follow the instructions you move the paper upwards using the top roller... Because the paper is trapped between two polythene sheets its splash proof too (but NOT down pour proof!)
it's a bit expensive for what it is and I ended up using my own clamps to fit it to the handlebars but it worked ok and saved me time as I didn't have to keep checking maps...
..again if I went back group rides, written, instructions and over night touring I'd fit another


Hmm, interesting. Snag is, to be visible, written directions for 65 miles runs over more than one A4 sheet. Likewise maps, awkward when the route runs west to east more than south to north, I imagine. Is it heavy?
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Jdsk wrote:
ossie wrote:I'm not sure you need turn by turn navigation. I've never used it in a decade of touring using Garmins (Etrex Hcx and Etrex 20x )Just download your route and follow the pink line (or whatever colour), when zoomed in its quite easy.

The only turn by turn navigation I use is on my phone when I'm close to a camp site / accommodation that I've decided on at the end of the day that might be off my pre determined route.

I really like the countdown to junctions that I get with turn-by-turn. What's the downside... is it only limited capacity on particular devices?

Thanks

Jonathan


The Garmin Etrex 22x is what it is - primarily for walkers.

Looking at Komoot for turn-by-turn. What do you use?
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Garmin Edge 1000.

Very pleased with it. Battery life is a bit short but I've now got my workarounds.

I'd buy an Edge 1030 if I were looking now.

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Jdsk wrote:
ossie wrote:I'm not sure you need turn by turn navigation. I've never used it in a decade of touring using Garmins (Etrex Hcx and Etrex 20x )Just download your route and follow the pink line (or whatever colour), when zoomed in its quite easy.

The only turn by turn navigation I use is on my phone when I'm close to a camp site / accommodation that I've decided on at the end of the day that might be off my pre determined route.

I really like the countdown to junctions that I get with turn-by-turn. What's the downside... is it only limited capacity on particular devices?

Thanks

Jonathan

I find the downside of TbT is the occasional nonsense instruction. The novelty of TbT has left me now and more often than not use the breadcrumb which when you are faced with a five roads junction I immediately see which it is I want.
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afanasiew wrote:
Hmm, interesting. Snag is, to be visible, written directions for 65 miles runs over more than one A4 sheet. Likewise maps, awkward when the route runs west to east more than south to north, I imagine. Is it heavy?


If you can get the route directions for a 400k audax on an A4 sheet surel 65 ml should be a doddle.
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afanasiew wrote:
robgul wrote:. . . and, this is a personal view close to the "helmet argument" - I think that riding with any sort of headphones/ear-buds is dangerous as you need to be able to hear traffic.

Both times I rode the E2E I had an A5 size printed mapbook on a barbag - it was the 1-50,000 OS with the route marked (easy to print) - the second time my riding companion had a Garmin GPS which worked pretty well with a new file each day . . .my map tended to rule if there were any queries!


They're not noise-cancelling earbuds and the directions would be intermittent, prompted by tapping the phone. Haven't tried it yet, though.

Your map book presumably had a waterproof case.

Which model Garmin?


Barbag has a built-in map case - the Garmin was a Vista something or other (it was 10 years ago and Garmin gadgets nowadays are rather better!)
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cycle tramp wrote:...what I did use for both my own leg journey was a map/route roller like this, http://www.vmccshop.net/route-roller-oxford-products I had used it in the past for a few audax events - the route sheet is placed between two polythene sheets attached to the rollers and then wound around the bottom roller... as you follow the instructions you move the paper upwards using the top roller... Because the paper is trapped between two polythene sheets its splash proof too (but NOT down pour proof!)
it's a bit expensive for what it is and I ended up using my own clamps to fit it to the handlebars but it worked ok and saved me time as I didn't have to keep checking maps...
..again if I went back group rides, written, instructions and over night touring I'd fit another


Some trivia, not dissimilar to the roller idea - Denis Jenkinson, when navigating for Stirling Moss in the 1955 Millia Miglia constructed a wooden box with 2 rollers and had the route on a very long strip of paper - the box was strapped to Jenkinson's thigh and he unrolled it as Moss drove - shouting out each bend/corner/junction etc!! That Moss dove 1,000 miles at 98+ mph was quite remarkable.
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robgul wrote:.....
Some trivia, not dissimilar to the roller idea - Denis Jenkinson, when navigating for Stirling Moss in the 1955 Millia Miglia constructed a wooden box with 2 rollers and had the route on a very long strip of paper - the box was strapped to Jenkinson's thigh and he unrolled it as Moss drove - shouting out each bend/corner/junction etc!! That Moss dove 1,000 miles at 98+ mph was quite remarkable.
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Moss's Mille Miglia was turned into a brilliant TV drama about their rehearsals and practice, with bits of contemporary film of the race itself. Should be available somewhere, youtube perhaps.
My Lejog and other touring navigation has always been done with pages taken from the Michelin road map book. Just the ones needed plus a margin of error. These packed in pannier in a poly bag inside another poly bag to withstand the worst weather. The page for the day taken out and carefully folded for an Ortleib bar bag map case, which work really well even in heavy rain.
There's just enough info on the Michelin maps including topography but if visiting anywhere en route could add a local map and pages torn from Rough Guide.
Also tend to take a one sheet whole map of GB or France for good overall view of the route and alternative route planning.
Paper is best!
The prob with detailed Audax style detailed instructions or sat nav on the phone, is that it's quite possible to have no idea of quite where you are or how to plan an alternative route. You don't get the over-view and batteries go flat.
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afanasiew wrote:
cycle tramp wrote:...what I did use for both my own leg journey was a map/route roller like this, http://www.vmccshop.net/route-roller-oxford-products I had used it in the past for a few audax events -


Hmm, interesting. Snag is, to be visible, written directions for 65 miles runs over more than one A4 sheet. Likewise maps, awkward when the route runs west to east more than south to north, I imagine. Is it heavy?


Yes, my own written lejog nstructions were written on A5 both sides with some days covering 3 pages - sadly it did mean stopping, removing one sheet and inserting another... ok when the weather was fine, less fun when it was raining.
..when it comes to maps I do what Sustran do with their maps, put my destination at the top and simply reference where north is - it will make more sense if you see a map from sustrans.
It's made of plastic so its light, but because of its slot together construction it can be quite sloppy.... I used m4 bolts to stiffen the route roller.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong but your 50 way points shouldn't be too limiting on road. Using an Etrex which I think is the same, you just have to split your route up a bit (I split mine into 20-30 mile chunks) and it works fine.
If you plot your route in Base camp for the day, you don't need a waypoint at every junction. Plot the day out, split it into 2 or 3 sections (ensuring each ones got less than 50 waypoints) and upload.
You'll probably want to stop every so often to eat and drink so plan your stops to coincide with starting a new bit of the route.
Worked for me with no problems on Lejog.
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A decent, in fact even a mediocre GPS can easily handle a 1000 mile route, giving you onscreen, correctly orientated mapping showing your route. If your GPS doesn't do that you've chosen the wrong one.
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