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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby RickH » 1 May 2019, 4:45pm

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Maybe it is time to make is compulsory for World Tour teams to have a women's squad. A number of them do already.

Or insist on mixed squads, and have separate jerseys for men and women in each category? Could lead to interesting tactics, the option of using male domestiques in support of a women's title.

They are trying a mixed team time trial at this year's world championships in Yorkshire. I think it is replacing the trade teams TTT.

Although it will be a relay - men then women - rather than a fully mixed event but a move in the right direction (Link).

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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby pjclinch » 2 May 2019, 8:49am

RickH wrote:
rfryer wrote:
RickH wrote:[
Maybe it is time to make is compulsory for World Tour teams to have a women's squad. A number of them do already.

Or insist on mixed squads, and have separate jerseys for men and women in each category? Could lead to interesting tactics, the option of using male domestiques in support of a women's title.

They are trying a mixed team time trial at this year's world championships in Yorkshire. I think it is replacing the trade teams TTT.

Although it will be a relay - men then women - rather than a fully mixed event but a move in the right direction (Link).


Agree it's a Good Thing, but because these will be national squads it puts no onus on trade teams that don't run a women's squad to change their thinking.
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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby reohn2 » 2 May 2019, 8:53am

Mixed races are plainly ridiculous,a relay is another matter.
Currentlymthere's a bit of ballyhoo in athletics over gender equality and testosterone levels,which illustrates that once in a blue moon an athlete is above and beyond the level of others by natural advantage but it's very rare in sport for a woman equal a man for strength and or endurance.
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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby pjclinch » 2 May 2019, 2:45pm

reohn2 wrote:Mixed races are plainly ridiculous,a relay is another matter.


Only in terms of "first across the line". For example, the existing Team prizes at a Grand Tour are not about who is first over the line.

I'd be in to serious hat-eating if there ceased to be most interest in first-over-the-line, but that doesn't mean there can't be any interest in anything else (or nobody would be doing TTTs for a start)
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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby reohn2 » 2 May 2019, 2:48pm

pjclinch wrote:
reohn2 wrote:Mixed races are plainly ridiculous,a relay is another matter.


Only in terms of "first across the line". For example, the existing Team prizes at a Grand Tour are not about who is first over the line.

I'd be in to serious hat-eating if there ceased to be most interest in first-over-the-line, but that doesn't mean there can't be any interest in anything else (or nobody would be doing TTTs for a start)

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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby bazzo » 6 Jul 2019, 7:06pm

I looked on Getty images lots of pictures of he with a helmet. Brucey has posted a few of them.

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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby brynpoeth » 6 Jul 2019, 7:11pm

pjclinch wrote:
reohn2 wrote:Mixed races are plainly ridiculous,a relay is another matter.


Only in terms of "first across the line". For example, the existing Team prizes at a Grand Tour are not about who is first over the line.

I'd be in to serious hat-eating if there ceased to be most interest in first-over-the-line, but that doesn't mean there can't be any interest in anything else (or nobody would be doing TTTs for a start)

Mixed tandem racing would not be ridiculous, it would be very fair, might be the best way to sell to both target groups, ladies & laddies
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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby Cunobelin » 7 Jul 2019, 8:54am

I think that the helmet and other red herrings on this thread are missing a point in the article

Twigg, 56, agreed to share her story to convince the public that not all homeless people are addicted to drugs or alcohol; that there are many like her, who have struggled with employment and are “confused,” as she said she is, about what to do next with their lives.



Many people who have led strictly regimented and organised lives where all they do is organised and dictated have problems re-integrating into society.

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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby Cunobelin » 7 Jul 2019, 9:00am

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PJ520 wrote:This is Angels Fear to Tread territory but I'll go there anyway. In Brucey's pictures Rebecca isn't wearing a helmet and the one she is wearing in the article looks more decorative than functional. An article in the New York Times got me wondering if she had had any head injuries which may have contributed to her problems (They certainly wouldn't have helped) I've sent an email to the author of the article to see if he knows. I'll keep you posted.



Fools rush in ...so a helmet can now substitute for years of poor nurturing?


The article is about heading large leather footballs with a current ban being suggested on heading the ball under 18 and restricted elsewhere. It has no relevance to cycling, as the mechanisms, frequency and effect are massively different. A total red herring to this thread

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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby reohn2 » 7 Jul 2019, 9:02am

Cunobelin wrote:I think that the helmet and other red herrings on this thread are missing a point in the article

Twigg, 56, agreed to share her story to convince the public that not all homeless people are addicted to drugs or alcohol; that there are many like her, who have struggled with employment and are “confused,” as she said she is, about what to do next with their lives.



Many people who have led strictly regimented and organised lives where all they do is organised and dictated have problems re-integrating into society.

It's why there are so many ex servicemen and women in the same situation.It seems the country used them up and then just discards them.
It's why there's a need for a Help for Heroes charity when it's the country's responsibility to look after injured ex servicemen and should not be left to charities to pick up the peices.
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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby Cunobelin » 7 Jul 2019, 10:34am

reohn2 wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:I think that the helmet and other red herrings on this thread are missing a point in the article

Twigg, 56, agreed to share her story to convince the public that not all homeless people are addicted to drugs or alcohol; that there are many like her, who have struggled with employment and are “confused,” as she said she is, about what to do next with their lives.



Many people who have led strictly regimented and organised lives where all they do is organised and dictated have problems re-integrating into society.

It's why there are so many ex servicemen and women in the same situation.It seems the country used them up and then just discards them.
It's why there's a need for a Help for Heroes charity when it's the country's responsibility to look after injured ex servicemen and should not be left to charities to pick up the peices.


Rebecca specifically declined to talk about Mental Health in the interview as that was NOT the emphasis she wanted

Service personnel have an additional issue in that they have experiences and traumas that non-service personnel cannot comprehend.PTSD is one of the most common key factors.

However, there is the Armed Forces Covenant

MY employer (Portsmouth Hospitals) is also a Veteran aware" this is training in place to help and "signpost" veterans who are having problems or need help as part of their hospital care.

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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby Cunobelin » 7 Jul 2019, 10:37am

However, I am drifting off the main thread here. What can be said to bring it back to the original is that if even with the additional support for ex-servicemen they still feature in large numbers, is it really a surprise that people like Rebecca have problems with a "normal" lifestyle. Research in the US reports that some 30% of athletes will have suffered "depression" in the last year. IT is thought by some psychologists that a number would suffer depression anyway, but add the pressures, hopes, disappointments, lows and highs can exacerbate that vulnerability.


This is an excerpt from an article (Depression in elite sport):

So why are so many elite athletes experiencing and admitting to depressive episodes, symptoms and other stress-related illnesses. In truth, a lot remains unknown; one question to explore is; can it be created from the sport itself? Career termination has always been perceived as a significant milestone in a retiring athlete, given the significant influential role of athletic identity. Other transitions experienced throughout an athletes’ career have recently been referred to as “critical moments”; for example, being dropped, injured, relocating or even being promoted to the team captain. With this in mind, can sport actually enhance stress levels due to the additional stressors that athletes’ encounter, like those identified above? Recent research suggests this can, in fact, be the case. For example, a high-performance sport in a competitive setting is suggested to cause distress. Furthermore, the likes of post-injury depression can occur after a sustained absence due to injury.

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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby reohn2 » 7 Jul 2019, 10:59am

Cunobelin wrote:
reohn2 wrote:
Cunobelin wrote:I think that the helmet and other red herrings on this thread are missing a point in the article




Many people who have led strictly regimented and organised lives where all they do is organised and dictated have problems re-integrating into society.

It's why there are so many ex servicemen and women in the same situation.It seems the country used them up and then just discards them.
It's why there's a need for a Help for Heroes charity when it's the country's responsibility to look after injured ex servicemen and should not be left to charities to pick up the peices.


Rebecca specifically declined to talk about Mental Health in the interview as that was NOT the emphasis she wanted

Service personnel have an additional issue in that they have experiences and traumas that non-service personnel cannot comprehend.PTSD is one of the most common key factors.

However, there is the Armed Forces Covenant

MY employer (Portsmouth Hospitals) is also a Veteran aware" this is training in place to help and "signpost" veterans who are having problems or need help as part of their hospital care.

I think we're in agreement,it's the mechanism that causes the aftermath,some service personel are suffering the "what do I do now" syndrome after the service is over as much as some athletes do.
PTSD just adds to the trauma,and I'm in no way playing done the effects of PTSD,it's real it's devastating and it's sufferers need handling with care by specialised healthcare professionals,unfortunately that's not always the case.
But the void left when leaving such a structured high pressure environment,unless planned for,can be devastating in itself.
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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby Cunobelin » 7 Jul 2019, 12:06pm

I was lucky in that I qualified as a Radiographer so had a civilian equivalence, and found a job relatively easily. Also, there was a fair amount of contact with civilian bodies and organisations - so I was in many ways sheltered in my transition

I do however know others wh have spent 22 years in the Service and running a unit or team. Only to find out that when they leave there is no civilian equivalent or if there is you do not hold the appropriate qualification.

I would suggest that professional athletes are the same... running fast, cycling fast is not going to be top of the job requirements for many posts, and as Rebecca states - you have dreamed of doing something all your life, and achieve that dream, there is a big hole when it stops..... how do we prepare the individuals for this?

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Re: Rebecca Twigg

Postby brynpoeth » 7 Jul 2019, 1:00pm

Is professional/elite sport a good thing? It is inspiring and thrilling to watch, but it seems to ruin many lives
Very few reach the top and 'earn' more money than they could ever spend
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