Finding non-standard bib tights

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Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby Cugel » 8 Dec 2019, 12:00pm

The ladywife would like a pair of womens bib tights for darkest winter cold day rides. Specifically, she would like them windproof as well as warm. She is slim and loses heat fast because of this. We do rides involving long fast downhills - one is near 4 km with a 320 M overall drop. In winter she can be too cool by the time we've dropped from top to bottom.

Her problem is that she isn't standard woman cyclist size. This seems to be an actual category in womens cycling clothing, where it's assumed the lady is short in the leg and bulbous in the middle - or so you would think from examining the sizing details of the clothing on offer.

Her relevant (to bib tights) sizes are: waist 70cm; hips 92cm; inseam (inside leg) 85cm. It's her long legs that are the issue. A size 12, for example, is typically 6-8cm too short in the inseam whereas a size 18 that might have an inseam of 83cm would be far too large everywhere else.

Does anyone know of a brand or source that caters to slim and long-legged ladies?

Incidentally, mens bib tights can be found for the slim and long legged but their pads are typically too broad for the ladywife and rub her sore at their outside edges.

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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby DNC123 » 8 Dec 2019, 12:09pm

You can get men's bibs without any padding.
There's even a pair in classifieds at present but no sizes quoted.

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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby PT1029 » 8 Dec 2019, 8:52pm

May be lady shorts (for lady fit padding) + men's bib tights with no padding (for leg length)?

I have never used bib shorts/tights, my untried perception is as well as getting the leg and seat right, you need to get the torso (braces/shoulder straps) right so your torso length gives the right amount of tension on the shoulder straps (or what ever you might want to call them).

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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby Vorpal » 9 Dec 2019, 11:14am

Although I often use men's tights, my other solution is to wear cycling shorts with other layers over them, for example thermal running tights, or merino long underwear with waterproof trousers. If my distance is under 10 miles, I might not bother with the cycling shorts. My layering varies a bit with the weather, and what else I might be doing.

FWIW the only women's bib tights I've ever found that fit me were Briko.
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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby Cugel » 9 Dec 2019, 11:47am

Thanks all for the answers so far.

The ladywife does use women's shorts under men's bibtights that are sized for tall skinny blokes. Generally the combination is not as good as a singular dedicated winter garment. Non-chammy tights are often a bit basic, for some reason. And less common than they used to be.

Her other solution is to use womens bibtights that fit her waist and hips but are always too short. She wears long wooly socks and high ankled winter SPD shoes to compensate but the be-socked part still gets cold as well as wet if the roads are soaked, even with mudguards.

I find it strange that womens cycling clothing has so few alternatives and variations compared to men's cycling clothing. Some manufacturers seem to do little or no womens cycling clothing at all. Santini stuff, for example, is often very well made and functional as well as well priced (especially in the "sales") but they seem to have assumed that only blokes and perhaps three women in Europe ride bikes.

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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby Vorpal » 9 Dec 2019, 12:57pm

This is honestly something I have suffered with most of my life. I have enough trouble fitting clothes that do have lots of variety, like jeans. With bicycling wear, I have mostly worn men's clothes or adapted non-cycling clothes because the women's lines either come in petite, or skinny + petite. The couple of companies that specialize in clothes for larger women seem to think that larger = rounder, and that's it.

Lusso used to do custom lengths. I don't know if they still do, but it may be worth contacting them?

There used to be a US company that did cycling stuff for tall people cyclingtall.com, but they don't appear to exist anymore.

Another solution might be to buy something that fits comfortably in other ways, and have it modified. Adding a bit of material in the leg should be a relatively simple thing for an experienced person.
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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby AMMoffat » 10 Dec 2019, 12:18pm

I am a female also long in the leg and have given up trying to find winter cycling longs that fit and are long enough.
For longer, colder rides I don a pair of these to fill the gap: https://rab.equipment/uk/hunza-stretch-mid-gaiter. They are slim fitting compared with regular long gaiters and are also good for mountain biking as they keep debris out of my shoes/boots.

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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby Cugel » 10 Dec 2019, 4:08pm

AMMoffat wrote:I am a female also long in the leg and have given up trying to find winter cycling longs that fit and are long enough.
For longer, colder rides I don a pair of these to fill the gap: https://rab.equipment/uk/hunza-stretch-mid-gaiter. They are slim fitting compared with regular long gaiters and are also good for mountain biking as they keep debris out of my shoes/boots.


We do have the gaiters for walking. They tend to be a bit long and stiff for cycling purposes; but those you picture might be a better option as they're shorter; and presumably weather-proof to a good degree.

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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby AMMoffat » 10 Dec 2019, 9:17pm

Cugel wrote:
AMMoffat wrote:I am a female also long in the leg and have given up trying to find winter cycling longs that fit and are long enough.
For longer, colder rides I don a pair of these to fill the gap: https://rab.equipment/uk/hunza-stretch-mid-gaiter. They are slim fitting compared with regular long gaiters and are also good for mountain biking as they keep debris out of my shoes/boots.


We do have the gaiters for walking. They tend to be a bit long and stiff for cycling purposes; but those you picture might be a better option as they're shorter; and presumably weather-proof to a good degree.

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They are waterproof and breathable and much lighter weight fabric than regular walking gaiters. They also have the pleasant side effect of keeping my feet warmer.

Rab also do another short version designed for runners which look even slimmer fitting but are not waterproof, and might suit your wife better.

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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby Bmblbzzz » 11 Dec 2019, 2:21pm

Vorpal wrote:Lusso used to do custom lengths. I don't know if they still do, but it may be worth contacting them?

Lusso certainly do unpadded bib tights that are pretty windproof and water resistant. Can't comment on whether sizing would suit.

I do find this slightly ironic, in a (!) way, as most women cyclists I know complain that the archetypal female cyclist used by clothing makers is tall, skinny and flat chested. I dare say the root problem is not just assumptions over size and shape but lack of supply?

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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby RickH » 11 Dec 2019, 3:04pm

An alternative strategy might be some thermal bibshorts (Wiggle/Chainreaction do some dhb ones, others may be available - I've not looked very hard) & combine them with leg warmers. That way there is scope for getting the leg length right by varying the overlap.

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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby Cugel » 11 Dec 2019, 4:32pm

RickH wrote:An alternative strategy might be some thermal bibshorts (Wiggle/Chainreaction do some dhb ones, others may be available - I've not looked very hard) & combine them with leg warmers. That way there is scope for getting the leg length right by varying the overlap.


That too sounds like a possibility - although shorts that are truly winter-thick, warm and windproof are not that common. I haven't looked yet but do leg warmers come in anything other than the standard roubaix stuff, which can be warming but not water or wind proof?

A good pair of women's winter bibs with added gaiters to cover the bare ankle ends of the leg still seems the best option at the moment.

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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby Cyril Haearn » 13 Dec 2019, 11:25am

Mrs Cugel makes garments, surely she could modify cycling clothes to fit perfectly
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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby Cugel » 13 Dec 2019, 1:07pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:Mrs Cugel makes garments, surely she could modify cycling clothes to fit perfectly

The nature of the bib tight makes alterations rather difficult. They usually have dedicated ankle-end parts hat are attached with very fine thread put in with a complex machine. Also, where does one acquire the specialist materials to match the often exotic stuff in a good pair of winter bibs?

But I suppose it may be possible with a few hours work to find and sew in some ankle patches. It seems a tedious procedure when one has already coughed up for the original garment.

Perhaps you will now suggest the ladywife makes the whole bibtight? Possible too - but I dread to think of the necessary women-hours involved.

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Re: Finding non-standard bib tights

Postby RickH » 13 Dec 2019, 1:17pm

I've just remembered, in this context, that I shall be going over to Chester tomorrow to be a Fabulous Lady! :shock: (I pilot tandem for a sight impaired friend so I have been co-opted as an honourary member :D ).

I will try to ask the longer, slenderer members what their choice of garments are. Was the 85cm inseam a "to the floor" measurement, rather than a trouser length?