Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

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Trikeyohreilly
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Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby Trikeyohreilly » 8 Dec 2015, 12:18pm

I am already sold on dynamo hubs having had a couple before, but never on a trike.

Where to purchase/have built?

ICE can do them, makes sense, they are for an ICE trike. But I think they are already made so I have no choice in rim.

Practical cycles may be able to do them and I have had a good dynamo hub wheel from them before.

I can't think where else to enquire, bearing in mind I would like to take delivery by mid January ish. Any ideas?

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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby grani » 8 Dec 2015, 12:25pm

SJS has these http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/mobile/schmi ... prod26520/.

The price does put me off a bit but I am very tempted.

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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby [XAP]Bob » 8 Dec 2015, 5:38pm

I th k hat ICE supply the SOn stub axle Dynamo - which means disc brakes. Don't think the SA drum/Dynamo/stub axle has come to anything yet...

I'd be tempted by a pair of those though...
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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby hercule » 8 Dec 2015, 8:52pm

The Sturmey X-SDD hub is advertised on one German store... and interestingly says "only some in stock"... there's also reportedly some in the Czech Republic too*

Not seen any reviews of any in real life though. And my recent experience of building a single sided trike wheel means I'm not in a rush to build another just yet!


*Google Translate of Czech into English is intriguing... "snakes" are brake cables, and clearly every bicycle has a soul, perhaps two or even three (inner tubes)

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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby [XAP]Bob » 8 Dec 2015, 9:11pm

Can't quite see if the XSDD is right hand only...
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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby hercule » 8 Dec 2015, 10:52pm

The SA product page suggest they are right side only...

http://www.sturmey-archer.com/en/products/detail/x-sdd

I really like how trouble free my drum brakes are on the Trice, the BB7 discs on my other two bents always seem to need periodic attention (one much more than the other). That's one reason (cost aside) that I'm not going for the SON dynamo.

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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby Brucey » 9 Dec 2015, 12:26am

hercule wrote:....I really like how trouble free my drum brakes are on the Trice, the BB7 discs on my other two bents always seem to need periodic attention (one much more than the other). That's one reason (cost aside) that I'm not going for the SON dynamo.


I wonder why one BB7 setup needs more fiddling than the other? Is there a difference in the setup (pads, discs?) or use pattern?

But I would echo what you say about the drum brakes; they are largely trouble free in a way that users of other brakes (any kind) can only dimly imagine.

A negative for the SA hub generator is that it is a little bit draggier than the SON.

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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby Tigerbiten » 9 Dec 2015, 1:47am

Brucey wrote:
hercule wrote:....I really like how trouble free my drum brakes are on the Trice, the BB7 discs on my other two bents always seem to need periodic attention (one much more than the other). That's one reason (cost aside) that I'm not going for the SON dynamo.


I wonder why one BB7 setup needs more fiddling than the other? Is there a difference in the setup (pads, discs?) or use pattern?

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BB7's are built asymmetrical.
So to fit them on both sides takes different mountings resulting in one being at a different angle and higher of the ground than the other.
This alters how much crud gets washed/sprayed/dripped in to the brake in the wet, hence the difference in wear/fiddling.

My Tektro Auriga Twins fit the same mount, just mirrored across the trike.
But I still get different wear patterns due to the curd side wheel tends to drop more crud into the calliper.

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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby Trikeyohreilly » 9 Dec 2015, 1:22pm

That's interesting. I didn't think there was even a picture out of the SA Drum Dynamo hub published yet.

The SON can be run either way so if you changed the the brake shoes for the left hand side ones they may well work on both sides?

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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby [XAP]Bob » 9 Dec 2015, 1:36pm

There are potential issues with precession. Don't know how SON have overcome them, but they are possibly still the only 'double Dynamo' solution...
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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby Trikeyohreilly » 9 Dec 2015, 1:37pm

The axles are the same diameter as ICE at 12mm. I'm tempted. Anyone think they will fit?

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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby [XAP]Bob » 9 Dec 2015, 1:41pm

Axle looks identical to the son arrangement, so I expect it will...

Make sure it's built non dished, and 'right handed', and put it on that side..

(Not particularly convinced that spoking handedness is significant, but they are laced differently from ICE - One of mine is "wrong"ly laced, and has been for years - can't recall if I used a spare LH wheel on the RHS or what, but I also can't remember what is 'correct' any more)
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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby Trikeyohreilly » 9 Dec 2015, 1:53pm

I really did want a pair. At that price (£800 for SON) I'm tempted to try and run one backwards. Should work?

I'll also be able to fit to my older nondisc kingpin trike.

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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby [XAP]Bob » 9 Dec 2015, 1:57pm

it *might*

If you know which bits have a tendency to unravel then a spot of loctite would likely do the job nicely.

Brucey would probably know which bits tend to go pear shaped when run backwards..
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Re: Dynamo hub wheels for trikes.

Postby Trikeyohreilly » 9 Dec 2015, 2:33pm

I have tried to check out several times but I'm getting PayPal error messages.
I have email them. Two hubs after shipping was only £176.