Website with trike routes?

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Website with trike routes?

Postby Auchmill » 13 Jul 2020, 9:18am

Does anyone know of a website with routes specifically suitable for trikes, particularly offroad, like canals, railway tracks etc where the surface is good and no obstacles like gates? I'm looking for routes in Scotland or North of England - like Cumbria,Yorkshire & Northumberland.

We've just got ourselves Gekko electrified trikes and although reasonably happy on quiet roads it would be good to try some offroad. We normally go to Spain during the winter, (maybe not this year) and have ridden some of the via verdes on road and mtb's. It's a different world there with much better surfaces, (and the roads too) dedicated cycle friendly routes without obstacles. We are so far behind in this country it's a disgrace.

Thanks for any suggestions.

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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby squeaker » 13 Jul 2020, 9:25am

Auchmill wrote:We normally go to Spain during the winter, (maybe not this year) and have ridden some of the via verdes on road and mtb's. It's a different world there with much better surfaces, (and the roads too) dedicated cycle friendly routes without obstacles. We are so far behind in this country it's a disgrace.

Thanks for any suggestions.
Emigrate :?: :roll: We don't seem capable of maintaining the paved roads in this country, let alone the 'off-road' routes :(
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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby Auchmill » 13 Jul 2020, 2:15pm

Agreed.

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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby Tigerbiten » 13 Jul 2020, 5:33pm

Bent trike rider here.

I'm aware of no mapping apps that show cycle routes in that much detail.
Something like the Open Cycle Map is probably a good place to start just to get an idea of where the route are.
But the only way you are going to get that level of detail is to go down each route and find out how passable each one is.

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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby hoarder » 14 Jul 2020, 8:27am

I'd suggest then we get a simple "sticky" thread going within this sub-Forum. Then those who have already found a route that works for three-wheelers can share.

How about - "Trike-friendly UK Routes" or "TfUKR" ?
Each Reply to start with key info: Route name, location (County, nearest town), website and/or map link. After that, any comments relevant for tricyclists (recumbent or upright).

e.g.

Cuckoo Trail
Sussex
Eastbourne/Polegate/Heathfield
https://www.sustrans.org.uk/find-a-route-on-the-national-cycle-network/cuckoo-trail/
Comment: Free Parking at Heathfield, Waitrose with cafe and toilets nearby.

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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby Auchmill » 14 Jul 2020, 9:12am

Thanks. I think you're right. The problem of trial and error is that you drive, say, to Edinburgh to cycle along the canal to Falkirk and then you find there are gates, bollards, narrow sections, and it's muddy and wet and so on and it's a complete waste of time. Or maybe it turns out to be like a motorway - lol.

I had hoped there would be something like Wikiloc which has dozens of activity categories, although they don't have trikes, but do have bikes with trailers.

Yep, might need to emigrate to France or Spain. We had intended to do some of La Velo Francette in May, but something got in the way of that plan.

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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby atlas_shrugged » 14 Jul 2020, 9:12am

This is a great question.

There is quite a large population that have 'different' cycles e.g. trikes, cargo bikes etc. I have thought quite a bit how mapping apps can support these alternative forms of human powered vehicles. My suggestion is to add tags to the Open Street Map to cater for width, height, and grounding restrictions. Once the tags are in place then data can be added via the OSM route and apps supporting these specialised vehicles can be developed.

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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby Auchmill » 14 Jul 2020, 9:13am

@Hoarder. Good idea if someone can set that up - and include gpx files if poss. Thanks.

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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby Cyril Haearn » 14 Jul 2020, 9:36am

Out and back routes are best, no circuits
Not boring I think, the view is different on the way back
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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby [XAP]Bob » 14 Jul 2020, 10:05am

hoarder wrote:I'd suggest then we get a simple "sticky" thread going within this sub-Forum. Then those who have already found a route that works for three-wheelers can share.

How about - "Trike-friendly UK Routes" or "TfUKR" ?
Each Reply to start with key info: Route name, location (County, nearest town), website and/or map link. After that, any comments relevant for tricyclists (recumbent or upright).

e.g.

Cuckoo Trail
Sussex
Eastbourne/Polegate/Heathfield
https://www.sustrans.org.uk/find-a-route-on-the-national-cycle-network/cuckoo-trail/
Comment: Free Parking at Heathfield, Waitrose with cafe and toilets nearby.



I’d have thought we’d be better off contributing a tag to OSM....
Maybe a “width restriction” tag, which could then include a couple of values (ground and 1m?) which would benefit people with wheelchairs/pushchairs as well.
Maybe a step tag, with a count of steps and a “flight height”)
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby hoarder » 14 Jul 2020, 10:13am

Nothing to stop people from adding to OSM already - but to go and reference OSM you have to know where you're heading for (i.e. have a route in mind).

I read that OP is looking for recommendations as to where to go, rather than looking up where they can't go ?

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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby [XAP]Bob » 14 Jul 2020, 10:19am

True - but I’d have thought that potentially engaging a much wider crowd from which to source data might be a good plan.

Once all this done I might try and ride the entirety of the local OSM over time to put in all the restrictions I can find
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby mjr » 14 Jul 2020, 10:31am

The width restriction tags already exist in openstreetmap. I'll make a more concerted effort to document the ones local to me, which probably means adding a tape measure to my saddlebag. Then people need to ask the routing site owners to use or at least display them when a route is less than 1.5m wide.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag ... le_barrier
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxwidth
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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby [XAP]Bob » 14 Jul 2020, 10:33am

mjr wrote:The width restriction tags already exist in openstreetmap. I'll make a more concerted effort to document the ones local to me, which probably means adding a tape measure to my saddlebag. Then people need to ask the routing site owners to use or at least display them.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag ... le_barrier
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxwidth


Brilliant - that's a couple of bits of research I don't need to do - and don't need to try and create and publicise...
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Re: Website with trike routes?

Postby Richard Fairhurst » 14 Jul 2020, 10:34am

In theory you're meant to use "width" for a physical restriction ("this gate is 2m wide") and "maxwidth" for a legal one ("vehicles wider than 3m are forbidden on this road"), but in practice the distinction is often blurred: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:width

And there's number of steps too: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:step_count . cycle.travel uses step_count for routing - it doesn't object too much to two or three steps, but it really doesn't like long flights.
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