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Folding recumbent-Whats available?

Postby djsb » 18 Jul 2015, 11:37am

I've been interested in HP Velotechnics Grasshopper FX folding recumbent for a while. I'm just wondering if there are any other folding recumbents available? I've seen a couple of youtube video's of an ICE B1 and B2 but they don't seem to be available any more (at least they are not mentioned on their website). I can try out a Grasshopper at Kinetics in Glasgow. Does anyone know of any other folders out there? Have to choose a folder as I have limited room in my 1 bed flat. Thanks.

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Re: Folding recumbent-Whats available?

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Re: Folding recumbent-Whats available?

Postby [XAP]Bob » 18 Jul 2015, 1:43pm

The ICE B series are discontinued, but the rest of the range folds (possibly still not enough for a 1 bed flat though!)
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Re: Folding recumbent-Whats available?

Postby squeaker » 18 Jul 2015, 8:33pm

Based on my experiences with 406 wheels, I'd want to try out any so equipped unsuspended bent on typical road surfaces before handing over the cash ;)
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Re: Folding recumbent-Whats available?

Postby pjclinch » 19 Jul 2015, 11:10am

As well as storage in a one-person flat, there may be the issue of manhandling it there. I wouldn't have a 'bent if I still lived in a flat up some stairs, folding or otherwise.

For storage, also consider a hanging hook...

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That's my wife's 'bent (a Nazca Fiero Tour) hung up on a train to Oban next to a mountain bike, and as you can see it makes a substantial reduction to the footprint, quite possibly better than a folded 'bent on the floor. It may not be practical to have such a hook, but if it is it may be a solution worth looking at.

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Re: Folding recumbent-Whats available?

Postby Cunobelin » 19 Jul 2015, 11:45am

I have a pair of HP Velotechnik Gekko recumbents.

They are not small or light (cf Brompton etc) but perfectly manageable.

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The folded chassis moves on "skate wheels"

I have used this in cars, hotels, trains and on one occasion a bus!

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Re: Folding recumbent-Whats available?

Postby MarySkater » 19 Jul 2015, 10:16pm

pjclinch wrote:For storage, also consider a hanging hook...

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That's my wife's 'bent (a Nazca Fiero Tour) hung up on a train to Oban next to a mountain bike


Apologies for sidetracking the thread, but I've been travelling on this type of Scotrail train recently, and they have signs saying, "Hang up the cycle by the REAR wheel." Does anybody know why the rear wheel specifically? Maybe I haven't done this often enough to get slick at it, but it seems to me that you need to either load your bike back-end first, or manoeuvre it around in a very confined space. Front wheel would be easier.

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Re: Folding recumbent-Whats available?

Postby [XAP]Bob » 19 Jul 2015, 10:37pm

I'd have thought it much eaiser to use the front wheel, you can then "rear" your bike and roll it into position...
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Re: Folding recumbent-Whats available?

Postby Cunobelin » 20 Jul 2015, 6:36am

maryinoxford wrote:
pjclinch wrote:For storage, also consider a hanging hook...

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That's my wife's 'bent (a Nazca Fiero Tour) hung up on a train to Oban next to a mountain bike


Apologies for sidetracking the thread, but I've been travelling on this type of Scotrail train recently, and they have signs saying, "Hang up the cycle by the REAR wheel." Does anybody know why the rear wheel specifically? Maybe I haven't done this often enough to get slick at it, but it seems to me that you need to either load your bike back-end first, or manoeuvre it around in a very confined space. Front wheel would be easier.

Mary


I believe it was because the pointy bits of the handlebars were at eye / head level for people passing in the corridor and hence a "hazard"

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Re: Folding recumbent-Whats available?

Postby MarySkater » 20 Jul 2015, 9:05am

Cunobelin wrote:I believe it was because the pointy bits of the handlebars were at eye / head level for people passing in the corridor and hence a "hazard"


Thanks, Cunobelin. It's useful to know the "reason," even if I don't necessarily agree with it. I wonder if I'm more of a hazard trying to manoeuvre my bike into the required position?

The other thing I'm wondering is, I've just bought a 25kg electric bike. There was a time when BR didn't allow transport of electric bikes by train, but now they do. So is it likely to be damaging to the wheel (either one!) to hang that weight from a hook?

I've made one train journey with the bike so far, bringing it home from the shop where I bought it. (Kinetics, as mentioned by the OP - to create an illusion that I'm not taking the thread completely off-topic :) ) I'd hoped to be able to leave it standing on its wheels as it was only sharing the bike space with one pram. But when a second pram was brought on board, I hung the bike up - by the front wheel, as there was no possibility of turning it in the remaining space. It seems to have survived okay, but it does appear to be putting a strain on the wheel that it wasn't designed for.

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Re: Folding recumbent-Whats available?

Postby [XAP]Bob » 20 Jul 2015, 9:18am

It won't damage the wheel, 25kg is nothing.

It might damage your back..
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Re: Folding recumbent-Whats available?

Postby pjclinch » 20 Jul 2015, 10:20am

maryinoxford wrote:The other thing I'm wondering is, I've just bought a 25kg electric bike. There was a time when BR didn't allow transport of electric bikes by train, but now they do. So is it likely to be damaging to the wheel (either one!) to hang that weight from a hook?


First, "British Rail" is an echo from your memory. These days we have plenty of "Train Operating Companies", and each one will have their own T&Cs, so don't assume that because Scotrail (now run by the firm that looks after Dutch railways) lets you take it anyone will. I suspect they will, but you may want to look at the fine print before basing a major expedition on the assumption.

Second, 25 Kg should be fine to hang. A bike wheel is specced to carry much more load than that (that Fiero can't be very shy of 20 Kg). Look at the super-light confections used by 80+ Kg sprinters... Main potential failure would be the hook anchor if not sensibly seated.

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Re: Folding recumbent-Whats available?

Postby MarySkater » 20 Jul 2015, 4:41pm

[XAP]Bob and pjclinch, thanks for the reassurance re the wheels.

Yes, I shouldn't have said BR. There is a "National Rail" website, with a cycling section which mentions some exclusions such as tricycles or trailers, but says nothing about electrics. ScotRail was, I believe, the first regional company to permit carriage of e-bikes; I've looked on the website of Abellio, who have taken over the franchise, and they don't say anything about a change of policy. AtoB have a web page which lists all the rail companies with what they say about bikes.

Physically, yes, a bike that heavy is an awkward thing to hang up, and I'm not planning on regular rail travel, I just like to know it's possible. After a few experiments, I think the rear-wheel hang might work best for me. My bike has no crossbar, but if I get my shoulder under the saddle I can use my legs to power the main lift, then with hands on the seat stays I can steer the back wheel into position.

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Re: Folding recumbent-Whats available?

Postby [XAP]Bob » 20 Jul 2015, 4:46pm

I'd still go for a front wheel hang - if some TOC worker wants to quibble then let them hang it the hard way, and take it down again....
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
There are two kinds of people in this world: those can extrapolate from incomplete data.