Save the CTC Web Site

A place to discuss the issues relating to the proposed change in the national CTC’s structure.
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Save the CTC Web Site

Postby Regulator » 8 Feb 2010, 8:55pm

OK folks... it appears that the

Save the CTC

web-site is up and running(ish)! The web-site will be updated and improved, and more information will be put on it as it becomes available. Don't forget this web-site is being produced by volunteers without the resources available to National Office and CTC Council.

Please pass the link on to any CTC members you might know.

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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby thirdcrank » 8 Feb 2010, 9:01pm

I nearly had a dizzy spell wjen I saw that title. :shock: "Save the CTC" website would have kept the ticker at normal speeds.

I tried to log on here last night and the link was broken. An "outage" explained by fonant. While the site was down I was suspecting an "outrage". I presume the new site will be an assembly point if the worst should happen?

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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby gaz » 8 Feb 2010, 9:57pm

The CTC Communications Plan is intriguing. It seems well thought through, particularly the comments relating to the CTC Forum.

It also seems appropriate. The majority of council are in favour of the plan. Council controls the CTC staff and HO machine. Council instructs them to focus communications towards achieving a "Yes" vote.

Still as I'm not signed up for the "Yes" campaigns e-mails I'd best not sign up for the "No", in a spirit of fair play you understand. :wink:

I'll be paying attention to the Save the CTC site though, added to favourites.
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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby Regulator » 9 Feb 2010, 11:48am

OK - we've hit problems with the site already.

It is being worked on and a new, shiny, sparkly version should be online in the next few days...

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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby Graham » 9 Feb 2010, 11:56am

gaz wrote:The CTC Communications Plan is intriguing. It seems well thought through, particularly the comments relating to the CTC Forum.

Sorry Gaz, I'm losing the plot :mrgreen: Where can I find the CTC Communications Plan ?

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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby patricktaylor » 9 Feb 2010, 12:09pm

Regulator wrote:OK - we've hit problems with the site already ...

Good luck with it. In my opinion you'd be better installing WordPress. Less than a couple of hours and you're up and running.

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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby gaz » 9 Feb 2010, 12:20pm

Graham wrote:Where can I find the CTC Communications Plan ?

Top right of the Spin WATCH page (the link works but the click box doesn't show CTC Comms Plan today), or use my link here.
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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby Karen Sutton » 9 Feb 2010, 10:04pm

One of the brainstorming ideas: "Specific debates hosted by member groups in regions".

So they are going to visit us? They will send lobbyists to the Groups. As with the emails from "Councillors" this may be the first communications some groups receive. Bound to arouse suspicion.

I would presume the only Groups who will host the debates are those who are sympathetic to the yes vote?

Another idea they have: "Not allowing small number of individuals to dominate the debate – on forums, letters etc". ?

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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby PH » 9 Feb 2010, 11:00pm

Who is "Save the CTC"?
I'm an undecided, but I give no credence to any information unless I can clearly see who and where it's coming from.
I may not agree with some of the things in the email from my counciller, but I know who he is and that he wouldn't have put his name to anything he didn't think was right.

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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby Regulator » 10 Feb 2010, 10:49am

PH wrote:Who is "Save the CTC"?
I'm an undecided, but I give no credence to any information unless I can clearly see who and where it's coming from.
I may not agree with some of the things in the email from my counciller, but I know who he is and that he wouldn't have put his name to anything he didn't think was right.



Save the CTC is the work of a number of people including:

  • me - Gregory Price, CTC National Councillor (London)
  • John Meudell, CTC National Councillor (South East)
  • Simon Legg, former CTC National Councillor

It also has input from specialist advisors, such as accountants and lawyers, and a lot of information is also being provided by Member Groups and individual members.

All of the people involved in Save the CTC are as credible as your National Councillor. We're not the sinister luddites suggested by some - or the 'conspiracy theorists' as we were described by the CTC Chief Executive at a public meeting of Council recently...

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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby PH » 10 Feb 2010, 12:09pm

Regulator wrote:
PH wrote:Who is "Save the CTC"?
I'm an undecided, but I give no credence to any information unless I can clearly see who and where it's coming from.
I may not agree with some of the things in the email from my counciller, but I know who he is and that he wouldn't have put his name to anything he didn't think was right.



Save the CTC is the work of a number of people including:

  • me - Gregory Price, CTC National Councillor (London)
  • John Meudell, CTC National Councillor (South East)
  • Simon Legg, former CTC National Councillor

It also has input from specialist advisors, such as accountants and lawyers, and a lot of information is also being provided by Member Groups and individual members.

All of the people involved in Save the CTC are as credible as your National Councillor. We're not the sinister luddites suggested by some - or the 'conspiracy theorists' as we were described by the CTC Chief Executive at a public meeting of Council recently...


That ought to be on the website rather than tucked away on a thread on a forum.

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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby Regulator » 10 Feb 2010, 12:16pm

PH wrote:
Regulator wrote:
PH wrote:Who is "Save the CTC"?
I'm an undecided, but I give no credence to any information unless I can clearly see who and where it's coming from.
I may not agree with some of the things in the email from my counciller, but I know who he is and that he wouldn't have put his name to anything he didn't think was right.



Save the CTC is the work of a number of people including:

  • me - Gregory Price, CTC National Councillor (London)
  • John Meudell, CTC National Councillor (South East)
  • Simon Legg, former CTC National Councillor

It also has input from specialist advisors, such as accountants and lawyers, and a lot of information is also being provided by Member Groups and individual members.

All of the people involved in Save the CTC are as credible as your National Councillor. We're not the sinister luddites suggested by some - or the 'conspiracy theorists' as we were described by the CTC Chief Executive at a public meeting of Council recently...


That ought to be on the website rather than tucked away on a thread on a forum.



From the front page of the Save the CTC web-site:

The people responsible for this site include:

  • former and current members of CTC Council
  • ordinary members of the Club
  • people with expertise in accountancy, charity management, project management and business


OK - it doesn't name names but it is fairly clear about who's behind the site. :wink:

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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby Jimmy The Hand » 10 Feb 2010, 2:30pm

Regulator wrote:The people responsible for this site include:

  • former and current members of CTC Council
  • ordinary members of the Club
  • people with expertise in accountancy, charity management, project management and business

OK - it doesn't name names but it is fairly clear about who's behind the site. :wink:


It's not clear who is behind the site until you name names, what it sounds like is that there is a number of councillors who are against the proposal when in fact there are only two and only one voted against the proposal to recommend a unified charity at the Manchester Council meeting! (Abstentions are NOT a no vote!!). The ordinary members? Well I think by trawling through here we can guess who some might be, but how many are there really?

And as for the people with expertise in other areas who are they? And what are the actually saying, and please don’t just tell me what they say, I don’t disbelieve you, but I would like to read for myself what they say preferably with a name attached (you can pm it to me if you don’t want to print it here).

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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby Regulator » 10 Feb 2010, 2:55pm

Jimmy The Hand wrote:
Regulator wrote:The people responsible for this site include:

  • former and current members of CTC Council
  • ordinary members of the Club
  • people with expertise in accountancy, charity management, project management and business

OK - it doesn't name names but it is fairly clear about who's behind the site. :wink:


It's not clear who is behind the site until you name names, what it sounds like is that there is a number of councillors who are against the proposal when in fact there are only two and only one voted against the proposal to recommend a unified charity at the Manchester Council meeting! (Abstentions are NOT a no vote!!). The ordinary members? Well I think by trawling through here we can guess who some might be, but how many are there really?

And as for the people with expertise in other areas who are they? And what are the actually saying, and please don’t just tell me what they say, I don’t disbelieve you, but I would like to read for myself what they say preferably with a name attached (you can pm it to me if you don’t want to print it here).


I don't know where you get your figures from but there aren't just two councillors against the proposals. There are four that I am aware of - and possibly more. It is for them to decide whether they wish to make their names public. Certainly John Meudell and I both have.
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Re: Save the CTC Web Site

Postby toontra » 10 Feb 2010, 2:59pm

Jimmy The Hand wrote:It's not clear who is behind the site until you name names, what it sounds like is that there is a number of councillors who are against the proposal when in fact there are only two and only one voted against the proposal to recommend a unified charity at the Manchester Council meeting! (Abstentions are NOT a no vote!!).


I think you're getting confused here. You are implying that you think because only 2 councillors are named as being responsible for setting up the "Save the CTC" website, then there are only 2 councillors who are opposed the "yes" vote. Two VERY different things.

Jimmy The Hand wrote: The ordinary members? Well I think by trawling through here we can guess who some might be, but how many are there really?


Well that will be discovered after the vote, won't it. But the outcome of the vote is dependent on the voracity and even-handedness of the information provided and its dissemination, thus the "anti" website. I don't see how any fair-minded person can be against that.

EDIT: Cross post with Reg!