After the Petition, what next?

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thirdcrank
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Re: After the Petition, what next?

Postby thirdcrank » 7 Dec 2010, 6:47pm

David Cox wrote:... and fund redundancies if needed.
The mention of this word will be distressing to anybody who fears they may be affected but I'd appreciate a bit of clarification of its mention in this context. I would assume that anybody recruited for a specific externally funded contract would have an employment contract matched to the terms of the funding contract. How does the question of funding redundancies arise? I see that in the rest of the post from which I have selectively quoted post parts of the organisation seem to be taken together.

My question is: Since the Limited Company cannot profit financially from any surplus on these contracts made by the Charitable Trust, is the Limited Company protected from any costs, or is it liable for them? (Simon L6's question abouit the bridging loan may have something to do with this. :?

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Re: After the Petition, what next?

Postby Edwards » 7 Dec 2010, 7:03pm

TC I think I remember about redundancies being in the Email sent out to staff to try and get them to encourage people to vote for conversion in the first vote.
I can not remember on which thread it was. I was certainly in this section.
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Re: After the Petition, what next?

Postby Karen Sutton » 7 Dec 2010, 9:59pm

It was my understanding that the contracts of the Cycling Champions and other staff taken on purely to do outreach Charitable Trust work were to be fixed term; they were to be linked to specific grants and funding. However I had heard at the beginning of this year that they were in fact on open ended contracts. That would mean redundancy for them if the grants and funding dried up. As that is almost certainly going to happen in the current econnomic climate these are possibly the reduncies being referred to by David Cox. Perhaps you could clarify this David?

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Re: After the Petition, what next?

Postby Simon L6 » 8 Dec 2010, 9:33am

I think, to be fair, that employees on fixed term contracts enjoy the same protection as employees on open-ended contracts - and rightly so. My concern is that there has been little in the way of match-funding and that, when the contracts dry up, the employees, fixed term or not, will be kept on, burning through cash at an alarming rate. £250,000 is about a quarter of the present value of the building.

I've been wittering on about the 'bridging loan' for a couple of weeks, and nobody on Council seems willing to discuss it. It may be that my understanding is incorrect, and that there is not going to be a 'bridging loan'. Now's the time to say so.

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Re: After the Petition, what next?

Postby David Cox » 8 Dec 2010, 12:53pm

Karen Sutton wrote:It was my understanding that the contracts of the Cycling Champions and other staff taken on purely to do outreach Charitable Trust work were to be fixed term; they were to be linked to specific grants and funding. However I had heard at the beginning of this year that they were in fact on open ended contracts. That would mean redundancy for them if the grants and funding dried up. As that is almost certainly going to happen in the current econnomic climate these are possibly the reduncies being referred to by David Cox. Perhaps you could clarify this David?


Karen,

I've double checked this because it may affect our staff and although I have some familiarity with employment law as an employer, I am no expert and always ask the HR Department. Council and Trustees are aware that there is an issue with "fixed term" and permanent contracts. CTC takes professional advice from legal and HR specialists and they are agreed that legislation now specifies that once a contract is intended to go beyond a year there is no difference in entitlements under employment law and all employees must be treated equally. All the employees and their unions were told that particular funding streams are for a limited period.

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Re: After the Petition, what next?

Postby Karen Sutton » 8 Dec 2010, 1:55pm

Thank you for the explanation David. Much the same as what Simon says then.

As far as after the Petition, what next? is concerned I can only offer the following as far as it concerns me.:
I am going to be looking at alternative cycling groups. I am unhappy with the direction CTC is going in. If the motion is lost this time and the Club and Trust stay as they are, the issue is not going to go away. The mindset of Management and a large percentage of Council is set on merging the two and for me that is the end of our Club. I will remain a CTC member for the next few years as I have a commuted membership. But by the time that expires I will probably be involved with other things.

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Re: After the Petition, what next?

Postby thirdcrank » 8 Dec 2010, 2:23pm

I'd reiterate what I said before, when I returned to the redundancy costs, I undesrtand the personal difficulties for anybody facing job insecurity.

My question remains:
Since the Limited Company cannot profit financially from any surplus on these contracts made by the Charitable Trust, is the Limited Company protected from any costs, or is it liable for them?


I'm disappointed thet the opportunity hasn't been taken to answer it. :(

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Re: After the Petition, what next?

Postby thirdcrank » 14 Dec 2010, 7:47pm

Almost a week on and I'm even more disappointed. I'll just assume the worst.
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As a footnote, my CTC membership expired at the end of Dec 2010 - a couple of weeks after I posted this. The lack of any sort of response was here made me think that renewing would be a waste of time and money.