Incorrect Ballot Papers

[Regulator]

Alongside the issue that ballot papers can be linked to individuals (and the potential that this may affect the way people vote) there appears to be problems with the accuracy of the ballot papers.

People here have mentioned issues. These have included people who are eligible to vote being omitted, people being given more than one vote and people who are unknown to the member appearing on ballot papers.

A quick'n'dirty survey was held elsewhere and of the 14 responses, 4 (or 30%) of the ballot papers were wrong.

This isn't looking good

[swansonj]

Is there somewhere where incorrect ballot papers can be logged, just in case producing evidence should be necessary at some future point?

[Regulator]

Is there somewhere where incorrect ballot papers can be logged, just in case producing evidence should be necessary at some future point?

Why not log them on this thread?

[swansonj]

Why not log them on this thread?

OK. In my case, family membership with four named individuals, ballot paper had five boxes, four names correct then one of them repeated.

[gaz]

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[Karen Sutton]

Is there somewhere where incorrect ballot papers can be logged, just in case producing evidence should be necessary at some future point?

Why not log them on this thread?

Are the ballot papers supposed to have the membership numbers on or just the name?

The two of us got a copy of Cycle each, with our own ballot paper in with just our own name on it.

I had thought, in the interests of economy, that we were meant to get just one copy of Cycle as we are both at the same address.
Initially I thought it was because we each had our own ballot paper, but I see that other households have one paper with several names on.

[thirdcrank]

... Are the ballot papers supposed to have the membership numbers on or just the name?...

I presume mine is standard:-

One side of mine was used as the postal address sheet for the mag itself. The other side has a letter addressed to me by name. It includes the ballot paper which takes the form of three lines across seven columns, the forst column being for the subject and the remaining six being for up to six voting members. In my case, my name appears in the correct column and the remainder are blocked out by a block of XXXXXXX in each. Under each voter's name, there are two spaces to record a vote FOR or AGAINST. There is nothing on either side of the form with a membership number.

[clem the moderniser]

<mod - comment removed - please refer to my post at the top of the section and phrase your future posts in a way not likely to wind people up> I did my own check with a number of people and the the papers were correct

[Yorkshireman]

<mod - comment removed - please refer to my post at the top of the section and phrase your future posts in a way not likely to wind people up> I did my own check with a number of people and the the papers were correct

Welcome to the Forum clem the moderniser.
I don't think that there's any whingeing going on. This vote is likely to be quite important and taking that into account I (personally) think that this particular voting system appears to be less than well organized considering the number of errors re ballot papers noted on here (and YACF), not to mention the way that it's going to be run ie Who will be counting and tallying the votes? Who will verify the tally? What confidentially issues might there be ?

[PW]

As a matter of record my ballot paper is correct.

[gaz]

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[brother nathaneil]

I'll not comment as to whether I'm "for or against" at the moment, I just wanted to ask the following question:

With 4 people in my family membership, should the fact we have 5 votes invalidate the whole process?
Perhaps I'm not alone in this, and if not could it sway the vote?

There has been no tampering other than blocking out names, as you can see, my daughter has 2 votes.
I've attached a photo of my voting paper:

[thirdcrank]

Clem the moderniser

Welcome to the forum from me too.

On the specific issue of the ballot, as I've already posted, my own form was correct. OTOH, I've also not got stuck in the snow this morning - possibly because I'm still in my dressing gown, but that won't stop the snow being a big news item all day.

If you stick around on the forum you will soon find we are a pretty good bunch and we try to make everyone feel at home. I'm stereotyping you from your name and jumping to the conclusion that you are an experienced cyclist. Shared experience is one of our biggest resources in promoting cycling and I'm sure you have a big contribution to make. (If I'm wrong about that, sorry. )

The reaction on here to the charity proposals shows the sincere concern that a lot of us feel. If it comes across as negativity that's a pity, because you can't disagree with something without saying no. I think there is also a lot of disappointment, frustration even, that the 'official side' appears to have made such cynical use of the Club's channels of communication - perhaps the similar frustration which comes across in your post is attributable to the way the 'opposition' has so effectively exploited the internet, including this forum.

In short I hope you have joined the forum to make a longer term contribution, not just to ..... whinge.

[Karen Sutton]

... Are the ballot papers supposed to have the membership numbers on or just the name?...

I presume mine is standard:-

One side of mine was used as the postal address sheet for the mag itself. The other side has a letter addressed to me by name. It includes the ballot paper which takes the form of three lines across seven columns, the forst column being for the subject and the remaining six being for up to six voting members. In my case, my name appears in the correct column and the remainder are blocked out by a block of XXXXXXX in each. Under each voter's name, there are two spaces to record a vote FOR or AGAINST. There is nothing on either side of the form with a membership number.

Yes, mine looks like that. So does my 14 year old daughters. So it seems they are correct. They have both been posted in any case.

[Snakes]

Any questions or problems associated with voting forms should be referred to me as Returning Officer at CTC National Office (peter.jackson@ctc.org.uk). All errors will be investigated. Replacement voting forms will be issued if necessary or appropriate.

Peter Jackson
Operations Director / Returning Officer

PLEASE NOTE: THIS POST HAS BEEN PLACED BY CTC STAFF ON BEHALF OF PETER. ANY ISSUES IN RELATION TO THE BALLOT PAPERS SHOULD BE SENT DIRECTLY TO PETER AS PER HIS REQUEST.