New Membership Cycling Organisation

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New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby Philip Benstead » 18 Jan 2011, 4:12pm

New Membership Cycling Organisation :?:
Now it look likely that the CTC is going to become a charity, this may mean with the drain on it income from the charity and possible demise of the CTC.

Is there any interest to set up a new membership organisation called CYCLING ASSOCIATION as company limited by guarantee?

DRAFT AIMS FOR THE CYCLING ASSOCIATION

1. The name of the Club is the “CYCLING ASSOCIATION”.
2. The Registered office of the Club will be situated in England.
3. The objects for which the Club is established are:
(1) To promote, assist and protect the use of bicycles, tricycles and other similar vehicles on the public roads and public rights of way;
(2) To promote and safeguard the interests of riders of bicycles, tricycles and other similar vehicles (hereinafter referred to as “cyclists”);
(3) To encourage cycling and cycle touring as a means of adventure, recreation, character training and other forms of education, to stimulate by all possible means interest and participation, and in particular the interest and participation of young persons, in cycling, and to promote cycling competitions, rallies, rides and other events;
(4) To promote and increase appreciation of the countryside and places of public interest, to establish and protect access thereto by cycle and on foot, to preserve and improve amenities, to take appropriate action thereto in Parliament and in and before Government departments, local and other public authorities, bodies and officers, landowners, developers and others, and to establish and support, or aid in the establishment and support of, or join with or help any association, establishment or institution formed wholly or partially for such purposes as aforesaid or any of them;
(5) To educate in road usage, increase road safety and in particular the safety of cyclists, and to promote and assist in the promotion of any plans, measures, schemes or proposals designed to that end;
(6) To provide legal assistance for the riders of bicycles, tricycles and other similar vehicles in the enforcement of their rights to use the public roads and public rights of way;
(7) To cater for the needs of cyclists by collecting and furnishing information for the planning and conduct of cycling tours, publishing and supplying books, routes, guides, brochures, accommodation lists, maps, periodicals and newspapers, badges and emblems, by arranging for insurance and any necessary documentation, and to organise and conduct cycle tours both at home and overseas and make all appropriate arrangements for participants therein, and to promote and safeguard the interests of cyclists in all such ways as the conditions of the times may render desirable.


CTC MEMBER SINCE 1971, NOW A LIFE MEMBER.
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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby meic » 18 Jan 2011, 4:19pm

Philip Benstead wrote:New Membership Cycling Organisation :?:
Now it look likely that the CTC is going to become a charity, this may mean with the drain on it income from the charity and possible demise of the CTC.

Is there any interest to set up a new membership organisation called CYCLING ASSOCIATION as company limited by guarantee?

DRAFT AIMS FOR THE CYCLING ASSOCIATION

1. The name of the Club is the “CYCLING ASSOCIATION”.
2. The Registered office of the Club will be situated in England.
3. The objects for which the Club is established are:
(1) To promote, assist and protect the use of bicycles, tricycles and other similar vehicles on the public roads and public rights of way;
(2) To promote and safeguard the interests of riders of bicycles, tricycles and other similar vehicles (hereinafter referred to as “cyclists”);
(3) To encourage cycling and cycle touring as a means of adventure, recreation, character training and other forms of education, to stimulate by all possible means interest and participation, and in particular the interest and participation of young persons, in cycling, and to promote cycling competitions, rallies, rides and other events;
(4) To promote and increase appreciation of the countryside and places of public interest, to establish and protect access thereto by cycle and on foot, to preserve and improve amenities, to take appropriate action thereto in Parliament and in and before Government departments, local and other public authorities, bodies and officers, landowners, developers and others, and to establish and support, or aid in the establishment and support of, or join with or help any association, establishment or institution formed wholly or partially for such purposes as aforesaid or any of them;
(5) To educate in road usage, increase road safety and in particular the safety of cyclists, and to promote and assist in the promotion of any plans, measures, schemes or proposals designed to that end;
(6) To provide legal assistance for the riders of bicycles, tricycles and other similar vehicles in the enforcement of their rights to use the public roads and public rights of way;
(7) To cater for the needs of cyclists by collecting and furnishing information for the planning and conduct of cycling tours, publishing and supplying books, routes, guides, brochures, accommodation lists, maps, periodicals and newspapers, badges and emblems, by arranging for insurance and any necessary documentation, and to organise and conduct cycle tours both at home and overseas and make all appropriate arrangements for participants therein, and to promote and safeguard the interests of cyclists in all such ways as the conditions of the times may render desirable.


CTC MEMBER SINCE 1971, NOW A LIFE MEMBER.



It is a bit early yet. The CTC still exists and is protected by its constitution.
The vote yesterday doesnt allow the CTC to become a charity.
If everyone who is "against" leaves now then it is handing over the spoils (CTC has quite some financial worth) before losing the fight.

Also you have stuck in a few personal preferences as pre-requisites like the one that I have highlighted (and there are others) which will exclude some others with different preferences.

However I may be joining up in the future IF the club can give the insurance cover that I get from the CTC.
Yma o Hyd

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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby Mick F » 18 Jan 2011, 4:52pm

Count me in.
Mick F. Cornwall

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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby meic » 18 Jan 2011, 4:58pm

Come to think of it their is a perfectly good set of rules for a cycling club which may be no longer needed that you could base your club on.
Save you a lot of work and most of us were quite happy with those rules and still are.
Yma o Hyd

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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby glueman » 18 Jan 2011, 5:01pm

Lousy title but yes, certainly.

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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby GrahamNR17 » 18 Jan 2011, 6:50pm

Hmm, yes, very good aims and objectives, and I think I would have no objections to joining such an organisation.

However, what I'd really like, and this isn't a loaded statement, is to join an organisation like the Cyclist's Touring Club of old :|

The "Cycling Association" seems what the current CTC is/trying to be, which I don't like given I want the old CTC back :?

Will you have a Touring section that does what the CTC used to :D Go on, say yes :D :D

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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby PW » 18 Jan 2011, 9:04pm

I'll be in when the current membership lapses, IF this goes through.
If at first you don't succeed - cheat!!

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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby The Bard » 19 Jan 2011, 8:57am

This has been gauging interest since May 2010 - with some interesting responses . . .

http://www.touringcyclistsclub.org.uk :idea:
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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby Mick F » 19 Jan 2011, 9:00am

We could be witnessing the demise of the CTC.

It's only a matter of time. If all the 4,000 'NO' members left, the floodgates would open.
Mick F. Cornwall

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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby hubgearfreak » 19 Jan 2011, 10:12am

Philip Benstead wrote:2. The Registered office of the Club will be situated in England


did you mean to type UK? if not, what's your justification? :?

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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby Regulator » 19 Jan 2011, 4:41pm

hubgearfreak wrote:
Philip Benstead wrote:2. The Registered office of the Club will be situated in England


did you mean to type UK? if not, what's your justification? :?


I think Philip may be following the normal convention of naming the country in which the company is registered. There is no such thing as 'UK' for that purpose - it will be either (a) England and Wales, (b) Scotland, or (c) Northern Ireland. This will also affect which law it becomes subject to if there is any dispute.

I'm sure Philip meant no offence to our brethren north of the border...

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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby John Catt » 19 Jan 2011, 4:43pm

Hi Phil,

Ironically it would appear that your organisation as specified below could qualify as a charity under several headings.

The advancement of amateur sport http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Ch ... sport.aspx
The advancement of health or saving of lives http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Ch ... ealth.aspx
The advancement of citizenship or community development http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Ch ... pment.aspx
The advancement of education http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Ch ... ation.aspx

DRAFT AIMS FOR THE CYCLING ASSOCIATION

1. The name of the Club is the “CYCLING ASSOCIATION”.
2. The Registered office of the Club will be situated in England.
3. The objects for which the Club is established are:
(1) To promote, assist and protect the use of bicycles, tricycles and other similar vehicles on the public roads and public rights of way;
(2) To promote and safeguard the interests of riders of bicycles, tricycles and other similar vehicles (hereinafter referred to as “cyclists”);
(3) To encourage cycling and cycle touring as a means of adventure, recreation, character training and other forms of education, to stimulate by all possible means interest and participation, and in particular the interest and participation of young persons, in cycling, and to promote cycling competitions, rallies, rides and other events;
(4) To promote and increase appreciation of the countryside and places of public interest, to establish and protect access thereto by cycle and on foot, to preserve and improve amenities, to take appropriate action thereto in Parliament and in and before Government departments, local and other public authorities, bodies and officers, landowners, developers and others, and to establish and support, or aid in the establishment and support of, or join with or help any association, establishment or institution formed wholly or partially for such purposes as aforesaid or any of them;
(5) To educate in road usage, increase road safety and in particular the safety of cyclists, and to promote and assist in the promotion of any plans, measures, schemes or proposals designed to that end;
(6) To provide legal assistance for the riders of bicycles, tricycles and other similar vehicles in the enforcement of their rights to use the public roads and public rights of way;
(7) To cater for the needs of cyclists by collecting and furnishing information for the planning and conduct of cycling tours, publishing and supplying books, routes, guides, brochures, accommodation lists, maps, periodicals and newspapers, badges and emblems, by arranging for insurance and any necessary documentation, and to organise and conduct cycle tours both at home and overseas and make all appropriate arrangements for participants therein, and to promote and safeguard the interests of cyclists in all such ways as the conditions of the times may render desirable.


Regards,

John

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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby Simon L6 » 19 Jan 2011, 5:39pm

Only Phil could have me hastening to agree with John C.

Strip the whole lot out, and substitute 3rd party insurance, an on-line magazine and discounts at shops and you've got yourself a deal.

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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby Philip Benstead » 19 Jan 2011, 10:41pm

It looks like CTC members/Councillors do not know their own club
the text below come from CTC MEMORANDUM OF ASSOCIATION of the CYCLISTS’ TOURING CLUB
Date May 2000


John Catt wrote:Hi Phil,

Ironically it would appear that your organisation as specified below could qualify as a charity under several headings.

The advancement of amateur sport http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Ch ... sport.aspx
The advancement of health or saving of lives http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Ch ... ealth.aspx
The advancement of citizenship or community development http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Ch ... pment.aspx
The advancement of education http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Ch ... ation.aspx

DRAFT AIMS FOR THE CYCLING ASSOCIATION

1. The name of the Club is the “CYCLING ASSOCIATION”.
2. The Registered office of the Club will be situated in England.
3. The objects for which the Club is established are:
(1) To promote, assist and protect the use of bicycles, tricycles and other similar vehicles on the public roads and public rights of way;
(2) To promote and safeguard the interests of riders of bicycles, tricycles and other similar vehicles (hereinafter referred to as “cyclists”);
(3) To encourage cycling and cycle touring as a means of adventure, recreation, character training and other forms of education, to stimulate by all possible means interest and participation, and in particular the interest and participation of young persons, in cycling, and to promote cycling competitions, rallies, rides and other events;
(4) To promote and increase appreciation of the countryside and places of public interest, to establish and protect access thereto by cycle and on foot, to preserve and improve amenities, to take appropriate action thereto in Parliament and in and before Government departments, local and other public authorities, bodies and officers, landowners, developers and others, and to establish and support, or aid in the establishment and support of, or join with or help any association, establishment or institution formed wholly or partially for such purposes as aforesaid or any of them;
(5) To educate in road usage, increase road safety and in particular the safety of cyclists, and to promote and assist in the promotion of any plans, measures, schemes or proposals designed to that end;
(6) To provide legal assistance for the riders of bicycles, tricycles and other similar vehicles in the enforcement of their rights to use the public roads and public rights of way;
(7) To cater for the needs of cyclists by collecting and furnishing information for the planning and conduct of cycling tours, publishing and supplying books, routes, guides, brochures, accommodation lists, maps, periodicals and newspapers, badges and emblems, by arranging for insurance and any necessary documentation, and to organise and conduct cycle tours both at home and overseas and make all appropriate arrangements for participants therein, and to promote and safeguard the interests of cyclists in all such ways as the conditions of the times may render desirable.


Regards,

John
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Re: New Membership Cycling Organisation

Postby John Catt » 20 Jan 2011, 12:40am

Philip Benstead wrote:It looks like CTC members/Councillors do not know their own club
the text below come from CTC MEMORANDUM OF ASSOCIATION of the CYCLISTS’ TOURING CLUB
Date May 2000

That hadn't escaped me :) . Part of the irony being that the objects of the M&AA are fully in line with the CTC being a charity. The amendments proposed at the AGM were minimal. So what are we arguing about? The issue seems to be with the way the club is currently being managed (and this would apply whether or not we become a charity).

Changing the management of the Club means that you need to find different Councillors to stand and replace people like me. Not oppose charitable status that makes no difference.

The objects you list above cover the activities of the CTC now and as they did in 1891. See my post "Result In" page 3 at 5.49pm.
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=46053&start=30

The CTC can still be a charity even if it undertakes no government contracts and works in the way it did in 1950. I for one do not want to go back to 1950, but if members really want that, they need to elect an appropriate Council, not oppose uniting as a single charity.

Regards,

John