Stabbing CTC in the back!

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meic
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Re: Stabbing CTC in the back!

Postby meic » 19 Jan 2011, 7:13pm

Ah that is why he was too busy to do anything about the coming bill to make helmets compulsory in Northern Ireland.

I hope that we remember that ALL cyclists includes those as far away from London as Northern Ireland
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Re: Stabbing CTC in the back!

Postby glueman » 19 Jan 2011, 7:48pm

David Cox wrote:[... These incidents are fortunately rare but I am willing to give time to CTC Council because I firmly believe that all cyclists need to stick together and take care of each other.


As an unreconstructed old pinko I find myself disagreeing, surprisingly, with the sticking together bit. I even believe a little free market wouldn't go amiss for a cyclist's coin and fealty. Currently there is no competition for work and leisure rider representation, which has allowed the CTC to occupy a monopoly position in the fear and loathing business. As a long term bike rider I'm as aware as the next fella of the dangers of the highway but suspect CTC overstate how much 'cyclist protection' actually occupies head office's day. I also wonder how many sign up for membership on the 'something ought to be done' angle but don't really care who does it.

If another organisation came along offering group rides, campaigning and 3rd party ins. at around half the price would CTC stick to the high financial ground or find new ways of appealing to the hoi polloi?

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Re: Stabbing CTC in the back!

Postby thirdcrank » 19 Jan 2011, 8:01pm

meic wrote:Ah that is why he was too busy to do anything about the coming bill to make helmets compulsory in Northern Ireland.

I hope that we remember that ALL cyclists includes those as far away from London as Northern Ireland


Northern Ireland tends to be the testing ground for various bits of legislation - presumably on the thin-end-of the-wedge principle, A recent example was the introduction of driving disqualification for things unrelated to driving. Perhaps the politicians over there are so engaged with an agenda that they don't bother too much about things that are not on it. :?

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Re: Stabbing CTC in the back!

Postby Simon L6 » 19 Jan 2011, 8:17pm

glueman wrote:As an unreconstructed old pinko I find myself disagreeing, surprisingly, with the sticking together bit. I even believe a little free market wouldn't go amiss for a cyclist's coin and fealty. Currently there is no competition for work and leisure rider representation, which has allowed the CTC to occupy a monopoly position in the fear and loathing business. As a long term bike rider I'm as aware as the next fella of the dangers of the highway but suspect CTC overstate how much 'cyclist protection' actually occupies head office's day. I also wonder how many sign up for membership on the 'something ought to be done' angle but don't really care who does it.

If another organisation came along offering group rides, campaigning and 3rd party ins. at around half the price would CTC stick to the high financial ground or find new ways of appealing to the hoi polloi?

An astute post that misses a vital benefit (shop discounts) a couple of vital questions

- Is the CTC able to campaign? The local networks are shot, and the HQ staff are few in numbers - perhaps two fulltimers, some volunteer help and a Comms person
- Is there the means to compete against a newcomer? Could the CTC drop the price of membership if the need arose?

Here are the figures. If you believe the accounts (I don't) campaigning apparently costs about £3 a member. Insurance costs under £4 a member. Group rides cost diddlysquit. Shop discounts cost not very much.

Current subs are £37. My guess is that they're going to go up in 2012 to as much as £40 (if anybody knows better, they can correct me on this). Now, if the ACT started selling a bike club (or bike clubs) at £12 a go (the price of affiliate membership to the CTC) how might the CTC resist the competition?

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Re: Stabbing CTC in the back!

Postby irc » 19 Jan 2011, 10:40pm

Well, I'm not paying £40 to renew. What I want is a bit of campaigning, especially on proposed helmet laws, and maybe the 3rd party insurance. If there was an alternative "club" to represent non racing/competative cyclists for £12-£15 I'd join.
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Re: Stabbing CTC in the back!

Postby sadjack » 20 Jan 2011, 1:20pm

The affiliate membership does look attractive when compared to full membership. As far as I can see you get all member benefits apart from the right to vote, lead rides and the magazine.

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Re: Stabbing CTC in the back!

Postby Jonty » 25 Jan 2011, 8:57pm

I voted Yes and no one is going to cyper-bully me. My view is that if someone wants to leave the CTC then leave. Actions speak louder than words. If someone wants to start another cycling group, then get on and start it. :(
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