Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 Jan 6
Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
the thing is, Steady Rider, the present Club/Charity arrangement could be made to work. All it would take is a bit of transparency and the will to offer the members something approaching value for money.
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Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
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It appears to me that members wanting to be listed as a charity could join the CTC Charitable Trust and have full CTC benefits, the details of the Trust may need some attention.
Other members could just continue as is.
This may avoid the risk of reapplying for a full charity status. If this is granted some members may or should it be 'will', not be happy. If it is not granted the CTC image may be discredited to an extent as a worthy cause. In both cases the CTC may not have gained much ground. Other sporting clubs may say we want to be charities, social health benefits, tennis, golf, football, cricket etc. These are worthy causes but in some ways not considered charities.
As things now stand I would suggest a step back and try a dual membership approach, lower risk approach.
Kevin is leaving and to minimise going over old issues, not a lot to say. the Chair, possibly it goes with the job of likes and dislikes, as in politics. Both difficult jobs perhaps as the forums show the number of issues that can arise.
CTC Charitable Trust, registered as a charity in England and Wales number 1104324, Scotland number SCO38626. Cyclists’ Touring Club, registered as a charity in Scotland no SC042541, application for registration in England and Wales currently subject to review.
It appears to me that members wanting to be listed as a charity could join the CTC Charitable Trust and have full CTC benefits, the details of the Trust may need some attention.
Other members could just continue as is.
This may avoid the risk of reapplying for a full charity status. If this is granted some members may or should it be 'will', not be happy. If it is not granted the CTC image may be discredited to an extent as a worthy cause. In both cases the CTC may not have gained much ground. Other sporting clubs may say we want to be charities, social health benefits, tennis, golf, football, cricket etc. These are worthy causes but in some ways not considered charities.
As things now stand I would suggest a step back and try a dual membership approach, lower risk approach.
Kevin is leaving and to minimise going over old issues, not a lot to say. the Chair, possibly it goes with the job of likes and dislikes, as in politics. Both difficult jobs perhaps as the forums show the number of issues that can arise.
Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
I believe that the next meeting of the CTC National Council is in 2/3 days time, this Saturday, 21 January 2012. No doubt the implications for the CTC of the rejection of its application for registration as a charity in England and Wales will be on the agenda. We read on the website that:
"Agendas for all meetings will appear on the website one week before the meeting....."
I have looked in vain for an agenda at: http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=5535
Is it there? If not, where is it please?
"Agendas for all meetings will appear on the website one week before the meeting....."
I have looked in vain for an agenda at: http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=5535
Is it there? If not, where is it please?
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Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
cyclamity wrote:I believe that the next meeting of the CTC National Council is in 2/3 days time, this Saturday, 21 January 2012. No doubt the implications for the CTC of the rejection of its application for registration as a charity in England and Wales will be on the agenda. We read on the website that:
"Agendas for all meetings will appear on the website one week before the meeting....."
I have looked in vain for an agenda at: http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=5535
Is it there? If not, where is it please?
I am going to this meeting. I email the CTC HQ in December and then this year to remind them I still have received an agenda.
Are they trying to tell me something???
Philip Benstead | Life Member Former CTC Councillor/Trustee
Organizing events and representing cyclists' in southeast since 1988
Bikeability Instructor/Mechanic
Organizing events and representing cyclists' in southeast since 1988
Bikeability Instructor/Mechanic
Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
I understand that at the Council meeting this weekend, which is open to all members, the Chair decided that any discussion of the charity application should not take place in front of the members in attendance - but in the 'closed' session of Council.
Not exactly open and democractic...
Not exactly open and democractic...
Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
I just find this odd. What on earth are they trying to hide?
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Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
Perhaps the exact opposite.Philip Benstead wrote: ... Are they trying to tell me something???
Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
Simon L6 wrote:I just find this odd. What on earth are they trying to hide?
Perhaps they've lost their appeal..?
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Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
from yacf
amg
Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 Jan 6.doc
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The latest edition of Cycle hit the doormat today. I looked for a more detailed, and balanced, explanation of the situation following on from the Chair's stop press piece last time. No such luck, in fact not a word on the charity issue could I see. I am genuinely puzzled by this. Doesn't Council think that they should provide members with an update on the progress implementing an AGM decision, even if it is to explain why the problem is just a speedbump not a roadblock? Or do they hold members in such contempt that they see no reason why members should be informed?
Whatever, our family membership is up for renewal at the end the month. BC here we come. If the Arab Spring ever reaches Guildford we may return, but the current regime has exhausted my goodwill.
amg
Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 Jan 6.doc
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The latest edition of Cycle hit the doormat today. I looked for a more detailed, and balanced, explanation of the situation following on from the Chair's stop press piece last time. No such luck, in fact not a word on the charity issue could I see. I am genuinely puzzled by this. Doesn't Council think that they should provide members with an update on the progress implementing an AGM decision, even if it is to explain why the problem is just a speedbump not a roadblock? Or do they hold members in such contempt that they see no reason why members should be informed?
Whatever, our family membership is up for renewal at the end the month. BC here we come. If the Arab Spring ever reaches Guildford we may return, but the current regime has exhausted my goodwill.
Philip Benstead | Life Member Former CTC Councillor/Trustee
Organizing events and representing cyclists' in southeast since 1988
Bikeability Instructor/Mechanic
Organizing events and representing cyclists' in southeast since 1988
Bikeability Instructor/Mechanic
Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
well, that's a very great shame, and if there were anything I could do to persuade people not to move to BC, I'd be doing it.
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Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 Jan 6
Progress CTC application charity 2012 Jan 27.doc
Cyclists’ Touring Club
Dear CTC Members
I have place at the link below documents in regard to:
London Cycling Campaign
Friends of the Earth
Greenpeace
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B7xjRG ... M5MTJhNDcz
They may help you decide if the CTC is suitable to become a charity?
It is lot of reading and I have split the documents up into manageable segment with names that should be self evident as what they are.
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Cyclists’ Touring Club
Dear CTC Members
I have place at the link below documents in regard to:
London Cycling Campaign
Friends of the Earth
Greenpeace
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B7xjRG ... M5MTJhNDcz
They may help you decide if the CTC is suitable to become a charity?
It is lot of reading and I have split the documents up into manageable segment with names that should be self evident as what they are.
END
Philip Benstead | Life Member Former CTC Councillor/Trustee
Organizing events and representing cyclists' in southeast since 1988
Bikeability Instructor/Mechanic
Organizing events and representing cyclists' in southeast since 1988
Bikeability Instructor/Mechanic
Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
Thu 19 Jan 2012
We’ve been here before. Quotes below from pages 2 and 3 of this thread.
Thu 27 Oct 2011
Sat 29 Oct 2011
Perhaps the person who does the posting only returned from holiday after the 19 Jan 2011.
cyclamity wrote:I believe that the next meeting of the CTC National Council is in 2/3 days time, this Saturday, 21 January 2012. No doubt the implications for the CTC of the rejection of its application for registration as a charity in England and Wales will be on the agenda. We read on the website that:
"Agendas for all meetings will appear on the website one week before the meeting....."
I have looked in vain for an agenda at: http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=5535
Is it there? If not, where is it please?
We’ve been here before. Quotes below from pages 2 and 3 of this thread.
Thu 27 Oct 2011
stewartpratt wrote:Also, FWIW I googled "ctc council meetings" and eventually found my way to the Meeting page which says "agendas for all meetings will appear on the website one week before the meeting". Not a sausage on there for October, though. Or even July.
Sat 29 Oct 2011
Kevin Mayne wrote:....
Publication.
Thanks to the posters who have highlighted the lack of papers on the web site. I had missed that, when the person who does the posting come back from holiday I will find out why and get them reinstated.
Perhaps the person who does the posting only returned from holiday after the 19 Jan 2011.
High on a cocktail of flossy teacakes and marmalade
Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
I see that the agenda for the Council meeting on 21 January finally made it on to the web-site on 25 January - but not the supporting papers (which are supposed to published at the same time).
Nice lack of transparency there folks... perhaps the new Chief Executive could address this as a matter of some urgency?
Nice lack of transparency there folks... perhaps the new Chief Executive could address this as a matter of some urgency?
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Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
CTC website will
be available to members in May
Also CTC is too submit a fresh application to become a charity
The charity Commission requires the constitution to be changed
this will need to go before AGM 2013?
The process will take around 18 month
be available to members in May
Also CTC is too submit a fresh application to become a charity
The charity Commission requires the constitution to be changed
this will need to go before AGM 2013?
The process will take around 18 month
Philip Benstead | Life Member Former CTC Councillor/Trustee
Organizing events and representing cyclists' in southeast since 1988
Bikeability Instructor/Mechanic
Organizing events and representing cyclists' in southeast since 1988
Bikeability Instructor/Mechanic
Re: Report on the progress of CTC charity application 2012 J
Philip Benstead wrote:CTC website will
be available to members in May
I'll believe it when I see it.
“In some ways, it is easier to be a dissident, for then one is without responsibility.”
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― Nelson Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom