Not My Club Too???

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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby [XAP]Bob » 16 Dec 2015, 8:45pm

Mattyfez wrote:
[XAP]Bob wrote:I've got some great Lion repellent....


A good pair of Nike trainers? :-)

No - It's really effective though, I've never been bitten by a lion since wearing it...
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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby Mattyfez » 16 Dec 2015, 8:57pm

[XAP]Bob wrote:
Mattyfez wrote:
[XAP]Bob wrote:I've got some great Lion repellent....


A good pair of Nike trainers? :-)

No - It's really effective though, I've never been bitten by a lion since wearing it...


I've never been bitten by a lion either. Thank God for designer running shoes!

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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby Tonyf33 » 17 Dec 2015, 1:42am

I've being making a similar point regarding risk compensation with regard to disc brakes, go faster/brake later, in the wet (where the main advantage is being purported) but then find it's the traction between tyre and road surface and the previous to that poor judgement that makes them come a cropper. Even the pros do it now, supposedly the best bike riders in the world yet are unable to fathom that going too fast or riding recklessly with too much risk in X condition/situation then find they are unable to stay upright which then causes them to lose much more time than any potential gains if they are even able to remount never mind any fallout to those around them.

I'd lay even money that they'll crash next season (with discs) in the pro peloton at exactly the same places in exactly the same conditions as they did before with rim brakes, in fact it appears there are far more crashes now than there ever were when riders didn't wear helmets, there's certainly more deaths in the pro ranks since helmets were introduced as a compulsion.

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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby pjclinch » 17 Dec 2015, 8:46am

Tonyf33 wrote:there's certainly more deaths in the pro ranks since helmets were introduced as a compulsion.


For Some Values Of "certainly".

There simply isn't a decent enough sample base of pro riders getting dead to make any such certainty, well, certain. While injuries in the pro peloton are common, deaths are rare and the degree that Excrement Occurs can vary at levels that would easily mask helmet effects, good or bad.

Much as it would be difficult to prove they've helped, it's similarly hard to show they've clearly hindered. And it's important that the sceptical viewpoint doesn't overplay its hand. It's worth remembering that "zero, plus or minus error bars" is a mark of failure for something we're told makes things much safer.

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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby pjclinch » 17 Dec 2015, 8:49am

Mattyfez wrote:
I've never been bitten by a lion either. Thank God for designer running shoes!


I wear sensible shoes, and not only have I not been attacked by a lion but the protective effect extends to shark attacks when I'm not even wearing them!
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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby TonyR » 17 Dec 2015, 9:29am

pjclinch wrote:I wear sensible shoes, and not only have I not been attacked by a lion........


Probably because no self respecting lion would be seen wearing sensible shoes.

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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby kwackers » 17 Dec 2015, 9:41am

The whole lion thing is a bit of a 'red herring' as in those claiming to be protected are self selecting.
We haven't heard from anyone who has been attacked by a lion...

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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby mjr » 17 Dec 2015, 9:50am

I think the anecdotes are confused. Nikes were repelled by a Tiger. Nothing to do with lions.
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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby pjclinch » 17 Dec 2015, 9:51am

TonyR wrote:
pjclinch wrote:I wear sensible shoes, and not only have I not been attacked by a lion........


Probably because no self respecting lion would be seen wearing sensible shoes.


You're biasing the study towards self-respecting lions. You're just as dead if a completely shameless one eats you, you know.
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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby NUKe » 17 Dec 2015, 9:54am

kwackers wrote:The whole lion thing is a bit of a 'red herring' as in those claiming to be protected are self selecting.
We haven't heard from anyone who has been attacked by a lion...

But we have Tigerbitten somewhere on here
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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby kwackers » 17 Dec 2015, 10:00am

NUKe wrote:But we have Tigerbitten somewhere on here

Tigers have a different fashion sense to lions.

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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby Vantage » 17 Dec 2015, 11:31am

Lion spray, Nikes and sensible shoes are all ineffective against Cougars though. I've proven it.
What you really need are flip flops.
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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby TonyR » 17 Dec 2015, 2:48pm

Vantage wrote:Lion spray, Nikes and sensible shoes are all ineffective against Cougars though. I've proven it.
What you really need are flip flops.


Which sort of Cougar are we talking about here? :shock:

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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby TonyR » 17 Dec 2015, 2:49pm

NUKe wrote:But we have Tigerbitten somewhere on here


An application of Tiger Balm should sort that out :wink:

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Re: Not My Club Too???

Postby Heltor Chasca » 17 Dec 2015, 4:59pm

TonyR wrote:
NUKe wrote:But we have Tigerbitten somewhere on here


An application of Tiger Balm should sort that out :wink:


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