Brucey wrote:strikes me that perhaps none of the 'no helmet please' brigade have ridden in close formation at speed lately; this might include training for, or riding a road race, a team time trial etc etc etc; (certainly a chain gang and even a brisk club run might fall into that category.) You surely can't ride in some fantasy world 'always safe' fashion when doing these things.
It's instructive, as ever, to look at what goes on over in NL. On my last visit, back in April near Den Haag, there was considerably more chain-gang action than in this neck of the woods, and the folk in the chain-gangs were almost universally in lycra racing kit with padded track mits and crash helmets. Outside
of actual obviously sporting endeavour, however, there was very little lycra and no crash helmets, because it's horses for courses. The case appears to be that when you go for a sporting ride you dress for a sporting ride, and when you don't you don't.
I don't know about anyone else here, but I dress for the job in question, and if the job in question is riding to work or doing the shopping etc. (where I'm not using it as a training run or setting PBs) I have no interest in dressing up as if I'm racing.
Brucey wrote:Falling off is a risk that you take; I would go as far as to say that the majority of people who road race have fallen off (at speed) and accept that as a risk.
And crashes are also fairly inevitable in motor racing, but I doubt Lewis Hamilton drives his personal car on normal roads wearing a flameproof suit and a crash helmet. Sport is not representative of the typical usage.
Brucey wrote:I started racing and training for racing in the 1970s and I was forced to wear a helmet (a bad helmet, worse than useless) then. Modern helmets are pretty good by comparison.
If you are road racing, training for it, or even just playing at it, wearing a helmet is a no-brainer.
For some values of "no brainer". How many Grand Tours have been won without crash helmets? Hill-climbs can be road racing, and indeed the case that even today they do not all have helmet requirements. The main point in a TT is aerodynamics more than protection. and so on.
But again, sport riding is not representative of non-sport riding.
Brucey wrote: Furthermore, if you think you 'ride safe' all the time when you are not doing those things then you are living in a dream world; there are just too many idiots on the road, too many things that can go wrong; for example anyone who says that they always ride such that 'there could be diesel in the road and they would still be OK' is most probably either an idiot or a liar.
And again we come back to the casualty figures in cars and wonder why this reasoning doesn't have us all driving to Tesco with full roll cages and 5 point safety harnesses, or indeed acting as a pedestrian where mile for mile just as many people get totalled as when cycling. Nobody is saying cycling is risk free, they are saying it is in the same risk ballpark as many other activities where nobody worries about crash helmets despite research flagging up their potential usefulness.
Brucey wrote:I have seen someone lying dead in the road, having fallen off, all by themselves. They were not wearing a helmet. Now as it happens I don't know if they might have survived if they had worn one or not, but I would bet any money that if they had a chance to go round again they would choose differently.
They'd know that the way it happened they ended up dead. You've offered them the chance to try again with one thing changed. What can they possibly lose by not changing? People have also been killed just tripping over, almost always without helmets. Asked the same question, what do you think they'd go for, sticking with a sure-fire dead or a chance they'd be alive? So as rhetorical questions go to support helmet use on a bike it's a bit pointless.
As has been noted, lots of people fall off without special help, just as they fall down stairs. In cultures where cycling is normal, and not presented not only as ridiculously dangerous but less dangerous with a crash helmet, this is treated as "excrement occurs", they get up and move on (possibly with a bump to their head), and the typical odds of it not being too risky means it doesn't come back to haunt them. So do you think any/all of the people in this video wouldn't have gone out without a crash helmet (or perhaps a tricycle) ever again?
Often seen riding a bike around Dundee...