Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

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Re: Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby Audax67 » 27 Aug 2016, 11:16am

He should maybe wear one when approaching glass doors, too.
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Re: Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby Cunobelin » 27 Aug 2016, 11:28am

For many years there have ben those who have used the "wear a helmet or be fed with soup through a straw' emotive blackmail

The good news is that we now have proof that helmet wearers also have the same problem


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Re: Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby Stevek76 » 27 Aug 2016, 3:45pm

Obviously should have been wearing a full face downhill mtb one.

And a pressure suit with shoulder pads.

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Re: Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby Postboxer » 27 Aug 2016, 8:45pm

Maybe he'll become obsessed with improving cycle safety, or inventing safety devices.

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Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby Heltor Chasca » 27 Aug 2016, 9:26pm

Psamathe wrote:
Paulatic wrote:

Paul Tuohy‏ @Paultuohy
Hi Richard @richardbranson Good to hear you're ok! Get in touch re your helmet thoughts with my charity. @WeAreCyclingUK can advise you.
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Interesting. So the charity (CUK) now belongs to Mr Tooey ? (takeover now complete)

Ian


Yup. With you on this. Although I run a small gardening company, I've never referred to people as 'my' or 'for' but 'our' or 'with'.

Crash and burn Tuohykins.

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Re: Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby Heltor Chasca » 27 Aug 2016, 9:50pm

Heltor Chasca wrote:
Psamathe wrote:
Paulatic wrote:.

Interesting. So the charity (CUK) now belongs to Mr Tooey ? (takeover now complete)

Ian


Yup. With you on this. Although I run a small gardening company, I've never referred to people as 'my' or 'for' but 'our' or 'with'.

Crash and burn Tuohykins.


And I'm flummoxed I'm the only person to reply to his idiotic tweet. Even an idiot doesn't refer to a charity as 'MY'.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt all this time. Now I know he's the wrong man.

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Re: Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby Paulatic » 27 Aug 2016, 10:07pm

Nice one HC :wink:
Well said, It will be interesting to see if he replies. My experience has been he ignores me when I've challenged any statements.
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Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby Heltor Chasca » 27 Aug 2016, 10:20pm

Paulatic wrote:Nice one HC :wink:
Well said, It will be interesting to see if he replies. My experience has been he ignores me when I've challenged any statements.


I would be interested too. On the Twitter rant (as difficult as space allows) Mr Branson, CUK and Mr T (sans good hair-do & testicles) are included in my rant so I do hope to, at least prick someone's ears. Or other receptive regions.

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Re: Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby Psamathe » 27 Aug 2016, 10:59pm

Heltor Chasca wrote:
Heltor Chasca wrote:
Psamathe wrote:Interesting. So the charity (CUK) now belongs to Mr Tooey ? (takeover now complete)

Ian


Yup. With you on this. Although I run a small gardening company, I've never referred to people as 'my' or 'for' but 'our' or 'with'.

Crash and burn Tuohykins.


And I'm flummoxed I'm the only person to reply to his idiotic tweet. Even an idiot doesn't refer to a charity as 'MY'.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt all this time. Now I know he's the wrong man.

I'm not a member of Twitter so cannot post my congratulations to him on his move from employee to having taken it over completely. Great thing ownership.

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Re: Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby Mattyfez » 28 Aug 2016, 1:01pm

He grazed his cheek and hit his shoulder, great argument for wearing a helmet. Which doesn't save cheeks or shoulders.

If he was riding sensibly in the first place, for example not speeding in the dark with no lights, he might have seen the speed bump.

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Postby drossall » 28 Aug 2016, 4:11pm

irc wrote:Risk compensation. Without a helmet he would have been going slower with decent front lights and not crashed. Helmet saved his life? Helmet nearly killed him is as valid.

I'm not sure that that is a reasonable interpretation of risk compensation. Most risky situations presumably do not result in accidents; rather, accidents happen when luck causes various bad things to coincide (too much speed, a slippery road, an oncoming vehicle, distraction, a speed bump - several of these plus others).

Risk compensation is normally about a small, general increase in risk taking, such that, if 20,000 Richard Bransons rode down similar hills, instead of 42 of them crashing, it's now 53.

But to suggest that a single instance of someone falling off is a result of risk compensation ignores the massive role that chance plays in determining when and where accidents happen. And the fact that some accidents will happen anyway, even if the rider is being very careful.

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Re: Ricahrd Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby irc » 28 Aug 2016, 4:45pm

drossall wrote:Risk compensation is normally about a small, general increase in risk taking, such that, if 20,000 Richard Bransons rode down similar hills, instead of 42 of them crashing, it's now 53..


Correct. So there is a chance Branson's crash was one of the extra crashes. A small chance. But then with thousands of cyclists only crashes every year but only a handful of fatal ones the chance his helmet saved his life was also tiny.

Of course we can't say Risk Compensation caused this particular accident. Just like we can't say whether the helmet saved his life. Both are very unlikely.

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Re: Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby drossall » 28 Aug 2016, 6:03pm

Violent agreement here :D

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Re: Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby Mick F » 28 Aug 2016, 6:29pm

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Re: Richard Branson's life saved by a bicyle helmet?

Postby mjr » 28 Aug 2016, 7:15pm

Mattyfez wrote:He grazed his cheek and hit his shoulder, great argument for wearing a helmet. Which doesn't save cheeks or shoulders.

He was wearing helmets on his cheeks and shoulders: that's why he didn't see the speed bump!
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