The helmet section?

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Re: The helmet section?

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Re: The helmet section?

Postby mjr » 11 Oct 2016, 10:55pm

Dave W wrote:http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/14760778.Cyclist__50__suffers_serious_head_injury_in_crash/

Wiltshire again.

Multi vehicle collision, beyond helmet design. Irrelevant.
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Re: The helmet section?

Postby Cunobelin » 12 Oct 2016, 6:01am

Dave W wrote:http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/14760778.Cyclist__50__suffers_serious_head_injury_in_crash/

Wiltshire again.


... and yet another head injury in Wiltshire

and another

... and an unfortunate fatality



When will these people realise that helmets could prevent or lessen these head injuries.....

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Re: The helmet section?

Postby pjclinch » 12 Oct 2016, 9:00am

Cunobelin wrote:When will these people realise that helmets could prevent or lessen these head injuries.....


Possibly when they get lectured by the press and well-meaning charities about the shocking irresponsibility of driving without a crash helmet on any occasion when someone in a car crash picks up a head injury, or after a few people start wearing them on the back of that pressure, when anyone that might have had a head injury routinely get told it was a Good Thing they were wearing a helmet...

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Re: The helmet section?

Postby Dave W » 12 Oct 2016, 11:48am

The point was that cycling accidents are rife - I didn't see any banged head on kitchen cupboard headlines. I was chatting to my accountant last night who mentioned one of her clients was now paralysed after his accident (broken back). He was on a charity ride too. Local chap got airlifted to Glasgow so I guess he was in Scotland at the time. Haven't managed to find anything more on him.

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Re: The helmet section?

Postby roubaixtuesday » 12 Oct 2016, 11:59am

DaveW

I was chatting to my accountant last night who mentioned one of her clients was now paralysed after his accident (broken back).


You're not perchance in possession of the Sea of Flames diamond, are you?

According to legend, however, the diamond is cursed: whoever keeps the "Sea of Flames" cannot die but their loved ones will be stricken with unending misfortunes


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Re: The helmet section?

Postby mjr » 12 Oct 2016, 12:09pm

Dave W wrote:I was chatting to my accountant last night who mentioned one of her clients was now paralysed after his accident (broken back). He was on a charity ride too.

Probably wearing a helmet like all but a few charity rides now require? When will they learn it's no substitute for real risk management? :-(
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Re: The helmet section?

Postby Dave W » 12 Oct 2016, 1:41pm

BrianFox wrote:DaveW

I was chatting to my accountant last night who mentioned one of her clients was now paralysed after his accident (broken back).


You're not perchance in possession of the Sea of Flames diamond, are you?

According to legend, however, the diamond is cursed: whoever keeps the "Sea of Flames" cannot die but their loved ones will be stricken with unending misfortunes


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. Very good. I also have a father and son cycling duo on my rounds, guess what? Both crashed within days, father has a cracked sternam son has broken his arm in two places. My Wife has gone right off the idea of road cycling lateley.

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Re: The helmet section?

Postby roubaixtuesday » 12 Oct 2016, 2:08pm

My Wife has gone right off the idea of road cycling lateley.


In which case I can only suggest you give her the diamond, but take extra special care yourself.

Perhaps wear one of these during the day?

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Alternatively, rather than listing cycling accidents ad nauseum, you could do the same for myocardial infarctions, type II diabetes, car accidents etc. That might scare her into getting you back out on the bike and would be every bit as rational as your approach.

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Re: The helmet section?

Postby irc » 12 Oct 2016, 4:33pm

Dave W

Can you please let me know if you are ever traveling near Glasgow. A sort of navigation warning. :-) I'll give up cycling until you are gone. You seem to be a bit of a crash magnet.

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Re: The helmet section?

Postby Zigster » 12 Oct 2016, 5:34pm

A quick google of "pedestrian deaths london 2016"
https://visionzerolondon.wordpress.com/ ... in-london/

I wonder how many of them were wearing helmets.

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Re: The helmet section?

Postby reohn2 » 12 Oct 2016, 5:44pm

irc wrote:Dave W

Can you please let me know if you are ever traveling near Glasgow. A sort of navigation warning. :-) I'll give up cycling until you are gone. You seem to be a bit of a crash magnet.


Perhaps a rotating red light and a woo woo siren, on top of Dave W's helmet could be an early warning alert for unsuspecting cyclists in the vicinity :)
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Re: The helmet section?

Postby Cunobelin » 12 Oct 2016, 7:08pm

Dave W wrote:The point was that cycling accidents are rife - I didn't see any banged head on kitchen cupboard headlines. I was chatting to my accountant last night who mentioned one of her clients was now paralysed after his accident (broken back). He was on a charity ride too. Local chap got airlifted to Glasgow so I guess he was in Scotland at the time. Haven't managed to find anything more on him.



Glad you raised Glasgow

There was a team in Glasgow who actually looked at hospital admissions..... and guess what?

Cyclists didn't even feature in the at risk groups!

Thornhill et al:
The characteristics of the cohort agreed with previous surveys.....The most common causes of injury were falls (43%) or assaults (34%); alcohol was often involved (61%), and a quarter reported treatment for a previous head injury.


If the unmentioned cyclist head injuries are "rife" then how would you describe assaults, alcohol based injuries or simple falls?

If that is inconvenient, we can look even further to Meier Hillman's work and look at road based injuries:

34.8% were pedestrians and 46.2% were in a vehicle compared to 5.9% being cyclists

Again if 5.9% is "rife" and needs action, should we not be taking even more drastic action in groups that are 6 and 8 times more common?

OH .... I forgot.

These head injuries don't hurt, cause any trauma, have any effect on the individual, relations or families and are totally acceptable. It is only the identical cycle based head injuries that we need to worry about

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Re: The helmet section?

Postby Adam S » 12 Oct 2016, 7:21pm

Dave W wrote:The point was that cycling accidents are rife - I didn't see any banged head on kitchen cupboard headlines..

News stories report the notable, not the commonplace. We could use your methodology to show that murders are rife. What is this obsession with individual reports when we have statistics?