Methods
In accordance with study protocol (unpublished, available
from first author),
I am not clear why the study protocol should not have been included.
Methods
In accordance with study protocol (unpublished, available
from first author),
Mattyfez wrote: The logic behind the helmet lobby is quite odd.
Phil Fouracre wrote:Well there you have it, perfectly summed up!! Now can we call it a day pleaseeeeeeee!!
Mattyfez wrote:There does seem to be a lot of 'cyclist got a broken colar bone, thank god they were wearing a helmet' going on.
I wear a helmet if I'm doing risky mountain bike trails, but its not going to save me from a broken jaw/neck/back/arm/leg/rib
The logic behind the helmet lobby is quite odd.
Mike Sales wrote:Phil Fouracre wrote:Well there you have it, perfectly summed up!! Now can we call it a day pleaseeeeeeee!!
Why? If you don't want to take part in this discussion it is quite easy to avoid. It has been moved to quarantine to make it even easier.
If some did not want to take part it would have died many pages ago.
Phil Fouracre wrote: I do find that it does go round and round though, and, it would be nice to feel that something concrete could be achieved at some point
Helmets aren’t saving lives but they might save yours
September 23, 2016Path, RoadCycling
The helmet debate cropped up again in mainstream media with a glowing endorsement in their headlines such as:
Sydney Morning Herald:
Bike helmet review throws cold water on sceptics: they’ll likely save your life
Special Broadcasting Service:
Report proves bike helmets the difference between life and death
ABC Melbourne:
Do cycling helmets save lives? Researchers reject doubters and say fatal injuries greatly reduced
All from a meta-analysis study evaluating the efficacy of helmets in reducing fatalities, from medical literature. Its time for a response from a sceptic and we can start with the famously reproduced time series of Australian cycling fatalities around the introduction of Laws requiring mandatory use of bicycle helmets (lighter line).
pjclinch wrote:Mattyfez wrote:There does seem to be a lot of 'cyclist got a broken colar bone, thank god they were wearing a helmet' going on.
I wear a helmet if I'm doing risky mountain bike trails, but its not going to save me from a broken jaw/neck/back/arm/leg/rib
The logic behind the helmet lobby is quite odd.
As Robert Heinlein notes, "Man is not a rational animal; he is a rationalizing animal."
Once we've made a choice, for whatever reason, it's entirely normal human behaviour to edit the world around us to confirm that choice as a good one.
So the collar bone one works out to something like, "Damn that hurts... but it could have been my head, lucky I had a helmet on!", while of course the reason they have a broken collar bone is they instinctively tried to break their fall with an arm to protect their head, and the apposite response would have been "shame I never learned to roll properly".
Pete.
wahoofish wrote:
Never learned to roll properly??? Did you read that on the back of a cornflakes box?
wahoofish wrote:That is the single most arrogant statement of this whole thread. Would love to see you roll at 40mph when somebody 6 inches in front of you crashes and your whole group goes down almost instantly, or when you are pushing the limits on a technical Mtb section and something goes wrong.
pjclinch wrote:wahoofish wrote:
Never learned to roll properly??? Did you read that on the back of a cornflakes box?
No, I took it from my pal who's an instructor for all sorts of outdoor pursuits and a pretty useful martial artist too. But hey, what would he know?wahoofish wrote:That is the single most arrogant statement of this whole thread. Would love to see you roll at 40mph when somebody 6 inches in front of you crashes and your whole group goes down almost instantly, or when you are pushing the limits on a technical Mtb section and something goes wrong.
There are a few misconceptions in there. I didn't say I was any good at it: I've never learned and would have no confidence in my ability to roll well even if I keeled over having run out of balance at sub-walking speed on my own. But I don't ride in those contexts so it's not really an issue for me, and when I have fallen sideways in a comedy SPuD related topple the fact I'm closer to the ground on a recumbent has meant I just get a sore wrist rather than a broken collar bone.
It's also the case that entirely innocuous falls can take out a collarbone because of the instinct to take the fall on the arm, which is why broken collar bones are so common, and not just in cycling. In sports where there's a lot of falling over by design (i.e., Judo) avoiding that is an integral part of the training. Falling over learning to skate better, I tended to get a sore wrist where my (judoka) daughter didn't... probably not coincidence, That sport cyclists feel it's "arrogant" to suggest they might benefit too is their problem for not trying, rather than mine for suggesting it.
Pete.
wahoofish wrote:Never learned to roll properly??? Did you read that on the back of a cornflakes box?
That is the single most arrogant statement of this whole thread. Would love to see you roll at 40mph when somebody 6 inches in front of you crashes and your whole group goes down almost instantly, or when you are pushing the limits on a technical Mtb section and something goes wrong.
It's hard enough most of the time getting a hand out in time, let alone rolling. That is real armchair expert nonsense