wahoofish wrote: hufty wrote:
I don't think I'm undermining my pro-choice stance by saying that yes that video looks like an example of an occasion where wearing a helmet lessened the damage to the rider caused by falling and hitting her head on a curb, although it's always better when the helmet breaks in half as that demonstrates incontrovertibly that A Life Has Been Saved. On the other hand if the rider took a leaf out of my book and rode a lot slower and left more of a gap between her and any bike in front she probably wouldn't fall off in the first place and therefore wouldn't need a helmet.
I agree with Stevek76, it's time to deploy the "Dutch cyclists on an icy corner
" video again so that wahoofish can enjoy a few anecdotes where heads don't hit tarmac!
The beauty of being pro-choice is you get to make your own mind up on things, and you don't have to worry about what other people are doing.
Love it - so your advice is to ride your bike very carefully, never to race and never test yourself or your equipment at the edge. Have I understood that correctly?
A worthless piece of junk ! : my wobbly bog brush using hovercraft full of eels
I ride down the back road hill to the supermarket around 3 times a week, it was also the hill my son cycled to school on since the age of 10, it's a bumpy 6-7%, if I pedal hard I can just about hit 40mph though the bottom part of the hill where it levels out is horrible so mid 30s is my usual. My son even when he was 10 hit over 20mph and when he became a better bike rider could do 30mph also.
He chose not to wear a helmet, funnily enough he didn't die or have a serious incident even when his crank snapped he was able to maintain control.
Me, I've never worn one and never will, I simply don't need one, I've also 'pushed the envelope', come down descents at around 55mph, I've come down alpine switchbacks with huge drop-offs at the side at high speeds, I've pushed the boundaries but I leave a fraction in reserve, i understand the limitations, i build up to know what that is, you gain experience and you learn what to do/not what to do.
Some pro riders are just micturate poor bike handlers, they just happen to be elite athletes, you see this time and time again, pros making ridiculous decisions, no thought process just head down and pedal, panic braking, locked wheels, no ability to judge speed and distance, same old mistakes in the wet, oh look my tyre lost traction and I crashed out again, lucky I was wearing my helmet...YAWN!!
The average modern pro is a far worse bike handler than days gone past by a massive distance, the kit on modern bikes makes riding at high speed a doddle, vibration dampening frames, tyres that stick like poop to a blanket, brakes that are epic at stopping you and yet what happens...they crash more and suffer more injuries including deaths.
Do you know how many pro riders died from head injuries before helmets became a thing over the 100+ years preceding helmet compulsion? I can tell you that from the info out there it wasn't until the 1930s that the first reported competition road riding fatality occured.
Do you know how many have died since, deaths in the pro ranks since helmet compulsion is higher than that for the same period before...
Do you understand that racers BITD pushed the envelope but still managed not to die/have serious head and brain injuries in their hundreds of thousands which by all accounts/anecdotes (such as the one you highlighted) couldn't possibly be true and there would be no old racing types left to tell the tales, do the math, it really is not rocket science, seriously, give your head a bang!