School trying to make helmets compulsory

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby bovlomov » 18 Oct 2017, 11:10pm

landsurfer wrote:So you've not actually read the post.
Its in Coventry.
That's a place where people who are not from London live.
North of Watford.

I have posted conversations with the deputy head up post.
The school has had a number of problems, especially with the conviction of a PE teacher for abuse of pupils last year.
Deputy Head teacher, Miss Beckenham, was happy to chat ...
Then suddenly went quiet.

No, I mean the one Paulatic posted. All I can find is that it's in Kingston (upon Thames, I presume, as Tfl are funding its bike shed).

By the way, well done for getting as far as that with Finham Park.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Paulatic » 19 Oct 2017, 9:19am

bovlomov wrote:
landsurfer wrote:Can I just point out that I have actually engaged with the schools deputy head teacher. Rather than getting all "human rights" about it I hope your all sending the staff at the school your input to their decision.

Do we know which school this is? It's in London, so when I have a moment, I'll write to TfL (as a concerned Londoner) to ask if they mind that such conditions are attached to something that TfL funded.

And while I'm at it, I may ask why they are funding shelters for only 10 bikes. I think funding should be dependent on matched funding from the school, to provide a realistic number of cycle places.


It’s posted as being "Kingston schools" so more than one I would presume.
The concern is being raised by, funnily enough, an insurance company.
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby [XAP]Bob » 19 Oct 2017, 11:06am

landsurfer wrote:So you've not actually read the post.
Its in Coventry.
That's a place where people who are not from London live.
North of Watford.

I have posted conversations with the deputy head up post.
The school has had a number of problems, especially with the conviction of a PE teacher for abuse of pupils last year.
Deputy Head teacher, Miss Beckenham, was happy to chat ...
Then suddenly went quiet.

I haven't contacted her because you were in the process of doing so, and pointed her here.

So she hasn't provided any details of the rta s that prompted this action?
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby mjr » 19 Oct 2017, 11:11am

[XAP]Bob wrote:
landsurfer wrote:So you've not actually read the post.
Its in Coventry.
That's a place where people who are not from London live.
North of Watford.

I have posted conversations with the deputy head up post.
The school has had a number of problems, especially with the conviction of a PE teacher for abuse of pupils last year.
Deputy Head teacher, Miss Beckenham, was happy to chat ...
Then suddenly went quiet.

I haven't contacted her because you were in the process of doing so, and pointed her here.

So she hasn't provided any details of the rta s that prompted this action?

Likewise. I thought having dozens of people who aren't connected with the school contacting them with very similar points would probably be counter-productive and regarded as a siege. I also thought there was a low probability of success either way, like with my attempt to get Suffolk County Council to lift the helmet-forcing from a what was claimed to be a fun ride a few years ago... forced clothing ain't fun.
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Psamathe » 19 Oct 2017, 11:37am

mjr wrote:
[XAP]Bob wrote:
landsurfer wrote:So you've not actually read the post.
Its in Coventry.
That's a place where people who are not from London live.
North of Watford.

I have posted conversations with the deputy head up post.
The school has had a number of problems, especially with the conviction of a PE teacher for abuse of pupils last year.
Deputy Head teacher, Miss Beckenham, was happy to chat ...
Then suddenly went quiet.

I haven't contacted her because you were in the process of doing so, and pointed her here.

So she hasn't provided any details of the rta s that prompted this action?

Likewise. I thought having dozens of people who aren't connected with the school contacting them with very similar points would probably be counter-productive and regarded as a siege. I also thought there was a low probability of success either way, like with my attempt to get Suffolk County Council to lift the helmet-forcing from a what was claimed to be a fun ride a few years ago... forced clothing ain't fun.

That is why I didn't e-mail them. Out on a ride I'd concocted some really good lines, but on reflection I thought they'd just declare themselves victims of a targeted Lycra Lout aggressive hate campaign.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby landsurfer » 19 Oct 2017, 1:08pm

For interested parties;

c.buckenham@finhampark.co.uk

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Ruadh495 » 19 Oct 2017, 1:25pm

The London one looks like a set of conditions for using the school's cycle parking, which they are using to introduce consideration of cycle safety.

It also looks pretty reasonable to me, stressing training or supervision, lights and roadworthiness. Of course it would be better if it didn't mention helmets at all, but it does note that they are not compulsory but "would be appreciated" I don't think we can expect better than that from those who are fairly certain cycle helmets are effective (which is pretty much anyone who hasn't looked at the evidence).

I don't think they are actually requiring permission to cycle, just trying to control demand for limited cycle parking. Ideally the cycle parking would be less limited, but bike sheds are traditionally a problem area in schools so it's not surprising they have been removed / not constructed. With the potential for malicious tampering within a school something better secured than a standard "bike shed" is probably required anyway.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby bovlomov » 19 Oct 2017, 1:39pm

Ruadh495 wrote:I don't think they are actually requiring permission to cycle, just trying to control demand for limited cycle parking. Ideally the cycle parking would be less limited, but bike sheds are traditionally a problem area in schools so it's not surprising they have been removed / not constructed. With the potential for malicious tampering within a school something better secured than a standard "bike shed" is probably required anyway.


It says
If your child wishes to cycle to school [...] permission will be granted in writing subject to the following:


That seems pretty definite. The later bit, about how they appreciate the appropriate safety equipment being worn, is just bogus manners - like a mafia don saying he appreciates your cooperation after he's shot the rest of your family.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Psamathe » 1 Nov 2017, 10:45am

I have recently been raising a complaint with a local school about the illegal and dangerous parking/driving by parents/carers at school run pickup time. The problems at the school in question have now got beyond a joke (blocking lanes on blind bends, car dooring attempts, etc.) but of relevance to this discussion a response I've had from the Head Teacher today
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby millimole » 2 Nov 2017, 8:45am

My granddaughters are - apparently - about to face a plastic hat compulsion in Northampton (Duston School).
This might be starting to become a national issue rather than localised pockets of individual teachers.


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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Jon Lucas » 2 Nov 2017, 9:16am

millimole wrote:My granddaughters are - apparently - about to face a plastic hat compulsion in Northampton (Duston School).
This might be starting to become a national issue rather than localised pockets of individual teachers.


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This is precisely what many of us have feared would happen. The bandwagon effect can pick up speed frighteningly quickly.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Stevek76 » 2 Nov 2017, 10:08am

millimole wrote:My granddaughters are - apparently - about to face a plastic hat compulsion in Northampton (Duston School).
This might be starting to become a national issue rather than localised pockets of individual teachers.


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No apparently about it, quick google throws this up right at the top of the results:

http://www.thedustonschool.org/sites/thedustonschool.org/files/Students%20using%20Bicycles.pdf

From the language I can only assume Mr Strickland is about as pro car, anti bike as it gets.

The letter finishes (bolding mine):

Please note that these measures are purely to safeguard all of The Duston School’s students and the motorists who use the roads near the school and the school car park itself.


What a complete ****. :evil:

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Cunobelin » 2 Nov 2017, 8:00pm

Really?

This must be a joke

What happened to actually connecting with reality?

Officers have been patrolling outside schools in Duston to warn drivers about parking too close to junctions.


A total of nine drivers were warned about the standard of their parking outside Duston Eldean Primary School today (Tuesday) by officers patrolling the area, while a further five motorists were given warnings outside St Luke’s Primary.

Officers said they were given warnings after parking on or opposite junctions around the schools.

In the last few days officers have been monitoring parking outside schools in the Duston area.

On Wednesday last week five drivers were given warnings at Hopping Hill Primary School and a further 14 drivers were warned about the standard of their parking outside Millway Primary School and Duston Eldean Primary School yesterday (Monday).

@DustonPolicing is warning parents that next time they will get a ticket, using Twitter hashtags #ThinkBeforeYouPark and #KeepingYouSafe

Parents are being advised that they should not stop or park opposite within ten metres of a junction, expect in an authorised parking space.



Deserves a freedom of information request about dangerous parking and then hen how cycle helmets will address the issues the School is choosing to ignore

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby brynpoeth » 2 Nov 2017, 9:43pm

Do nothing, and talk about it..

The cops should be issuing tickets immediately instead of providing conversation therapy
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Vorpal » 5 Nov 2017, 9:11am

Some amusing alternative letters here https://twitter.com/willbramhill/status ... 3030871041
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