School trying to make helmets compulsory

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Paulatic » 15 Nov 2017, 8:19am

Surrey school now demands a number plate.
http://road.cc/content/news/232269-surr ... late-their
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby The utility cyclist » 15 Nov 2017, 9:43am

Already a thing at Glyn school in Surrey since at least April, this was on their newsletter from April.
It would seem that a Mr.Batchelor who was the deputy head at Glyn school has taken this vile disease to Banstead school where he is now headmaster
:twisted: They are connected in that they are part of GLF schools umbrella.
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Zanda » 15 Nov 2017, 9:50am

Please alert the CyclingUK campaigns team to this and ask them to challenge it.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Stevek76 » 15 Nov 2017, 11:39am

Head's Twitter photo shows him helmeted and clad in team sky top.... :roll:

Unfortunately the all the gear no idea mamil folk are often more moronic about things like this than the most dedicated petrolhead. They really really don't get the concept that cycling can be an everyday method of getting from a to b not an extreme sport that requires fancy kit.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Psamathe » 15 Nov 2017, 12:13pm

What I find worrying about all this is that in effect we have regulations being introduced by those with no real knowledge (or with a strong personal opinion) - no sensible review about the impacts of effects. In effect it is becoming legislation by the back-door with punishment for transgressors. And some of the punishments are severe (driver gets points & fine for speeding, child cyclist gets their transport confiscated for failure to wear a helmet - no balance or proportionality or accountability to the punishments).

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Steady rider » 15 Nov 2017, 6:02pm

https://webcontent.ssatuk.co.uk/wp-cont ... ies-DL.pdf

Cycling UK could provide a leaflet I suppose.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby thirdcrank » 15 Nov 2017, 7:24pm

The OP hasn't posted for a while. I wonder how thongs went on? We could always send a spokesperson to grind down the opposition till they are begging to be excused. :wink:

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby horizon » 15 Nov 2017, 11:25pm

thirdcrank wrote:The OP hasn't posted for a while. I wonder how thongs went on? We could always send a spokesperson to grind down the opposition till they are begging to be excused. :wink:


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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Cunobelin » 16 Nov 2017, 6:16am

Psamathe wrote:What I find worrying about all this is that in effect we have regulations being introduced by those with no real knowledge (or with a strong personal opinion) - no sensible review about the impacts of effects. In effect it is becoming legislation by the back-door with punishment for transgressors. And some of the punishments are severe (driver gets points & fine for speeding, child cyclist gets their transport confiscated for failure to wear a helmet - no balance or proportionality or accountability to the punishments).

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One is a formal legal process, the other is the imposition of the fantasies of a petty Dictator
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Cunobelin » 16 Nov 2017, 6:19am

Paulatic wrote:Surrey school now demands a number plate.
http://road.cc/content/news/232269-surr ... late-their
Where will madness end?


I feel a "Grink" coming on


I am a keen cyclist and fully aware of the requirements to cycle safely

My son / daughter has now been instructed to have a "numberplate" mounted underneath the saddle.

This is at present where the rear light is placed.

Could you please clarify on the fitting alternatives as the present system will mask the light and in doing so endanger my child

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Cunobelin » 16 Nov 2017, 6:26am

Given that:

“The system will allow us to target cycle training and safety awareness sessions to our students, to reward good and safe cycling by giving members of the community a way to give us feedback about how our students are using the roads locally. As well as helping us to discuss with students any occasions where their cycling may not meet our expectations."

I would be very interesting given the inherent problems with parents driving to school, illegal parking and obstruction, is the school making full use of the car number plate system:


“The system will allow us to target driver training and safety awareness sessions to our parents, to reward good and safe cycling by giving members of the community a way to give us feedback about how our parents are using the roads locally. As well as helping us to discuss with parents any occasions where their driving may not meet our expectations."

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Mick F » 16 Nov 2017, 6:36am

This is surely a joke?
How can anyone dictate these things if they aren't law?

I can tell you now, that if we lived in Surrey and had children going to that school, we would ride with them and get off 50yds before and then walk in.

Also I would get the local MP involved.
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Pyranha » 16 Nov 2017, 7:30am

It's a shame that the anti-wheel-clamping law only applies to motor vehicles - as usual cars are deemed 'special'. Someone in my position - both parents working - would have difficulty retrieving a bike. I hope there's due process so that a child can defend themselves if, for instance, a bullying victim has the number plate maliciously removed from his/her bike.

My first few years at secondary school I cycled to a friend's house across the road from school and we walked the last 100 yds together, my bike in their garage. My school didn’t have petty anti-cycling rules, but this worked for me, and would be a potential solution (space in garage for hire?)

Perhaps someone should send this head-teacher a link to the Cycling UK comment (https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/campa ... g-policies).

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby pjclinch » 16 Nov 2017, 8:59am

Mick F wrote:This is surely a joke?
How can anyone dictate these things if they aren't law?


There's law and there's Law.
For cycle training, for example, the Buck Stops at Local Authorities who can justify pretty much anything they want on the basis of risk assessments. LAs in turn point out that schools have effectively the same position themselves, and it's very difficult imposing anything much on a head teacher as long as the curriculum is being taught.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Steady rider » 16 Nov 2017, 9:19am

Could Cycling UK arrange a one day conference to discuss all aspects of children cycling and helmet requirements and the evidence behind their position paper on helmets? Schools could be given a discount price for attending.