School trying to make helmets compulsory

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby boris » 14 Dec 2017, 8:40pm

the main area of concern is the playground..... perhaps helmets and HiViz would prevent these injuries?

very good .




http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/10/3/144

http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2016/0 ... 015-308424

Cause of head injuries

Half of the incidents, 2882 (50.6%), happened in the home, 874 (15.3%) in school/nursery, and 780 (13.7%) on road/street/motorway; 645 (11.3%) took place at other locations—for example, park, swimming pool, supermarket (missing data, 519 (9.1%)).

The majority, 3537 (62.1%), of head injuries were the result of falls in preschool children (table 1). Among causes of head injuries in infants, 887/1093 (81.1%) were falls and this included babies who had been dropped or fallen from furniture, Moses baskets, car seats, etc.

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Table 1

Cause of head injury in children: gender, age, number and proportion of (a) children referred to social services and (b) abnormal head CT scans by cause

Sports and recreation activities caused 783 (13.7%) of the injuries in the older children; there was a strong male preponderance. The most common sports associated with injury were: rugby, 143 (39.6%); football, 115 (31.9%); horse-riding, 62 (17.2%); trampolining, 28 (7.8%); hockey, 11 (3%). The recreational activities included sledging (38/154 (24.7%)), using a scooter (27 (17.5%)), and skateboarding (24 (15.6%)).
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The 403 (7.0%) MVAs principally affected primary-school-aged children; 279 (69.2%) were pedestrians (median age 6.5 years), 35 (8.7%) were cyclists (median age 12.2 years), and 89 (22.1%) were in cars (median age 11.3 years).
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The injury was the result of impact in 701 (12.3%) cases (median age 3.7 years): colliding with each other; running into walls, doors, radiators, etc; household item falling on the child. In 119 (2.1%) cases, the child was the victim of assault.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby The utility cyclist » 14 Dec 2017, 9:00pm

The Canadians were quick to steer kids on bikes to wearing helmets with next to zero evidence yet despite the significantly greater number of child head injuries they write this with no mention of suggesting helmets as a prevention to injury, clearly it's obvious common sense for kids in the playground to wear helmets to prevent the injuries that are significant to the injured child, what the hell are they waiting for ... :roll:
" Efforts to determine the best means to prevent injuries will benefit more from epidemiologic studies that focus on injuries that have greater significance for the injured child"

It's all so much BS and slanted view, they want to take a look at prevention in one instance but not in another, they ignore the massive numbers of sporting head injuries within and outside of school but not those of kids on bikes, the hypocrisy is astounding!

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Stevek76 » 14 Dec 2017, 10:10pm

Rather ironically given my stance in this, my only childhood head injury requiring hospital attention was stacking it off my bike at speed into a kerb :roll: . Got away with 4 stitches, a scar and not much sympathy :lol:

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 14 Dec 2017, 10:18pm

I am not ready for another kicking so I am chickening out for now. Reminds me of school playground :mrgreen:
Seems a very emotional subject.
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby landsurfer » 14 Dec 2017, 10:23pm

RAF Lynham .. Returning from a RAFCC hilclimb. Mick Gaze was on my right and decided to turn left punting me onto the road using my head as a brake .. 3 days in hospital with concussion .... Only head injury in 40 years of cycling ...... Bloody cyclists ... :lol:
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Vorpal » 15 Dec 2017, 6:00am

Ruadh495 wrote:Saw a pupil on his way to school yesterday; riding on the pavement on the wrong side of the road, dark clothing (school uniform), no lights, but he did have a helmet... hung from the side of the saddle.

So I guess one of my local schools has a similar policy.

Or his mum does.
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Psamathe » 15 Dec 2017, 10:09am

Stevek76 wrote:Rather ironically given my stance in this, my only childhood head injury requiring hospital attention was stacking it off my bike at speed into a kerb :roll: . Got away with 4 stitches, a scar and not much sympathy :lol:.....

I think you have summed-up the way our society has changed. When I was a kid when I did something daft and injured myself likewise the result was "not much sympathy" whereas these days you become a "victim" (hopefully a "survivor"), pressure groups get press coverage, MPs get involved, Civil Service kicks off reviews and inquiries.

Not suggesting the "not much sympathy" is ideal (though it worked fine for my childhood) but there must be a sensible balance and the current way has got ludicrous (probably as much because of ar5e covering maybe due to all that pressure group, inquiry, etc.).

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Stevek76 » 15 Dec 2017, 10:54am

Psamathe wrote:Not suggesting the "not much sympathy" is ideal (though it worked fine for my childhood) but there must be a sensible balance and the current way has got ludicrous (probably as much because of ar5e covering maybe due to all that pressure group, inquiry, etc.).

Ian


My 'not much sympathy' was a little exaggerated. I got a reasonable amount, though I also got a fair bit of 'you moron'. Was likely the hassle of the trip and wait at A&E (which was pretty bad then), that was unappreciated.

whereas these days you become a "victim" (hopefully a "survivor"), pressure groups get press coverage, MPs get involved, Civil Service kicks off reviews and inquiries.


I'm not sure that's universal? There may be an element there that the attention seeking parents and groups have a much more visible and constant 24/7 media in which to get that coverage. In the past they might, at most, have got something wedged in the local paper.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby The utility cyclist » 15 Dec 2017, 12:15pm

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:I am not ready for another kicking so I am chickening out for now. Reminds me of school playground :mrgreen:
Seems a very emotional subject.
We give opinions only.

If your safety is impinged by others action/inaction, have freedoms removed, if you're victim blamed and so on are you really surprised that people are very "emotional" about a subject matter? Are you surprised that they would want to out and express their feelings and opinions as well as pointing to facts and want to do everything they can to avoid the afore mentioned but are fearful that a certain minority will get their way and destroy civil liberties and make the roads more dangerous for everyone.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Erudin » 15 Dec 2017, 3:09pm

Shoddy journalism from the BBC does not help, full of clichés:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hampshire-42345928/girl-says-cycle-helmets-should-be-compulsory

"'A helmet saved my life'

A year after her life was saved by a cycle helmet, a 12-year-old girl from Hampshire is calling for them to be made compulsory. Maisie was run over by a car on her way to school in November 2016.

Her pelvis was shattered in five places, and doctors say that her cycle helmet saved her life. She is now working with road safety officials to promote safe cycling in schools.

Video journalist: Samantha Everett"
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby NATURAL ANKLING » 15 Dec 2017, 3:42pm

Hi,
The utility cyclist wrote:
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:I am not ready for another kicking so I am chickening out for now. Reminds me of school playground :mrgreen:
Seems a very emotional subject.
We give opinions only.

If your safety is impinged by others action/inaction, have freedoms removed, if you're victim blamed and so on are you really surprised that people are very "emotional" about a subject matter? Are you surprised that they would want to out and express their feelings and opinions as well as pointing to facts and want to do everything they can to avoid the afore mentioned but are fearful that a certain minority will get their way and destroy civil liberties and make the roads more dangerous for everyone.


TBH I was actually talking about the removed posts :!:
I am happy to hold my end of the discussion no problem.

Anyway this is not productive so I won't go on.
But I reserve the right to return later :mrgreen:
I am thinking how the whole controversy could be sorted but its a bit like brexit and other more touchy subjects, complex.

I have always said that I wear a helmet for other than safety reasons, if it helps safety wise then theres a bonus for me.
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Phil Fouracre » 15 Dec 2017, 3:49pm

Oh! Don't stop, I do like a good argument/'discussion', and, it's only got to eighteen pages, much too short for a helmet discussion :-)
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby mjr » 15 Dec 2017, 3:53pm

NATURAL ANKLING wrote:I have always said that I wear a helmet for other than safety reasons, if it helps safety wise then theres a bonus for me.

Your other reasons can be fulfilled otherwise and what it if harms safety wise?

Then there's the damage it does to public health by reducing cycling, but I've long given up much hope of helmet users accepting that.
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby 661-Pete » 15 Dec 2017, 3:54pm

Erudin wrote:Shoddy journalism from the BBC does not help, full of clichés:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hampshire-42345928/girl-says-cycle-helmets-should-be-compulsory

"'A helmet saved my life'

A year after her life was saved by a cycle helmet, a 12-year-old girl from Hampshire is calling for them to be made compulsory. Maisie was run over by a car on her way to school in November 2016.

Her pelvis was shattered in five places, and doctors say that her cycle helmet saved her life. She is now working with road safety officials to promote safe cycling in schools.

Video journalist: Samantha Everett"
Quite a few questions there.

So this unfortunate girl's pelvis was 'shattered in five places'. I suppose a h*lm*t would have protected her from that? Perhaps a suit of armour, rather?

From the video, it appears that she was riding (illegally) along the pavement when she 'flew over the handlebars'. How come? Maybe the bike was defective.

And then she landed in the road and was run over by the car. Unlucky! It has to be said, lid or no lid, if the car's wheel had gone over her head, that would have been it. Curtains. No helmet can protect your skull against being crushed.

Looks like an ill-informed 'headway' promotion video, if you ask me.....
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Phil Fouracre » 15 Dec 2017, 4:00pm

'Ill informed' - 'Headway', how can you be so unkind, surely it could never be the case!!
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