School trying to make helmets compulsory

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Vorpal » 13 Oct 2017, 10:26pm

landsurfer wrote:
Vorpal wrote:
landsurfer wrote:it's important we recognise the issue of the risk averse

FTFY


See what your doing here, but slightly missing the point.

It is absolutely not missing the point, unless you are being sexist.

The problem is risk aversion. While British women may be somewhat more risk averse than men, it doesn't actually have anything to do with gender.
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby landsurfer » 13 Oct 2017, 10:46pm

Vorpal wrote:
landsurfer wrote:
Vorpal wrote:FTFY


See what your doing here, but slightly missing the point.

It is absolutely not missing the point, unless you are being sexist.

The problem is risk aversion. While British women may be somewhat more risk averse than men, it doesn't actually have anything to do with gender.


Have you actually read your post ?

And swap the word sexist for racist and you will have an understanding of how the events in Rotherham, Oxford etc unfolded.

And Back to compulsory helmets .......
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby squeaker » 14 Oct 2017, 11:50am

The comments to this 2012 article still seem relevant.
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Stevek76 » 14 Oct 2017, 12:57pm

landsurfer wrote:
Vorpal wrote:The problem is risk aversion. While British women may be somewhat more risk averse than men, it doesn't actually have anything to do with gender.


Have you actually read your post ?

And swap the word sexist for racist and you will have an understanding of how the events in Rotherham, Oxford etc unfolded.


There's a nature/nurture element to this, women might be more risk averse but to state that's a direct result of gender is an assumption, it may be upbringing biases. Similarly there's a causality direction issue with the teaching.

As it is, the profession, particularly at primary level, seems to attract the risk averse. This then causes the lack of gender balance in teachers. In your gdaughters school, the chances are that the male teacher is also risk averse.

I don't think Rotherham is relevant here either. No one's suggesting not tackling the issue to avoid looking sexist which would be the equivalent.

At any rate, I don't think throwing 'RaF' at the school is going to do anything but entrench positions and undermine other arguments.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby landsurfer » 14 Oct 2017, 3:30pm

Stevek76 wrote:
landsurfer wrote:
Vorpal wrote:The problem is risk aversion. While British women may be somewhat more risk averse than men, it doesn't actually have anything to do with gender.


Have you actually read your post ?

And swap the word sexist for racist and you will have an understanding of how the events in Rotherham, Oxford etc unfolded.



At any rate, I don't think throwing 'RaF' at the school is going to do anything but entrench positions and undermine other arguments.


Which is why i haven't.
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Cunobelin » 15 Oct 2017, 10:29am

This is not Off - Topic although it discusses alarm clocks, however many of the actual discussion points are relevant

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There is a discussion on the BBC's Sunday Morning Live


A school has sent all its pupils an alarm clock, asking that children do not take mobile phones to bed.

The discussion is about where the boundaries actually lie with Teacher's and School's responsibilities end

You will be able to find it on iPlayer

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Steady rider » 15 Oct 2017, 4:18pm

I recall back in the 1960's I asked the teacher who gave them authority tell us what to do in out time, after 4.00pm regarding home work. My view is similar today, they have no authority to tell children what to do after 4.00pm or when the school day ends. Otherwise bit by bit they can keep on telling children how to spend their time and weekends. This approach would lead to all homework being optional.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby nez » 15 Oct 2017, 5:46pm

I was once held in detention for not wearing my school cap on a bus seven miles from the bloody school. Back in the 1960s

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Steady rider » 15 Oct 2017, 6:07pm

Allowing schools to dictate what children wear is taking this right away from parents. Providing what they wear is reasonable, it should be up to the parents who have to buy the cloths.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby Jon Lucas » 15 Oct 2017, 8:49pm

Have just seen this thread. This decision definitely has to be fought. As others have noted, it will lead to other schools taking this attitude and eventually to compulsion for all, and will ensure more schoolchildren do not take sufficient exercise and the health consequences that brings.

Two points I would challenge:

a) She says it will bring the school into line with other secondary schools, which implies that all other schools already confiscate bikes from their students. I would be astounded if that was true.

b) She says they won't allow any student to ride away from school without wearing a helmet. If you are able to spare the time, I would ride with your child, and challenge the school to stop your child riding with you from school helmetless. If they did try, it would make a perfect photo opportunity for the press.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby thirdcrank » 15 Oct 2017, 9:01pm

Jon Lucas wrote:... If they did try, it would make a perfect photo opportunity for the press.


I'm sure that's right but I'm not convinced it would be presented as a principled parent's attempt to protect their child's freedom of choice.

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby meic » 15 Oct 2017, 9:02pm

I would ride with your child, and challenge the school to stop your child riding with you from school helmetless.

The school's responsibility lasts up until you take the responsibility back from them. If you have taken the child from the school by foot, car, helicopter or cycle then they have relinquished responsibility at that point.
They wouldnt interfere for just as long as you are willing to come and collect the child, it is only if you dont collect the child that they will exert their authority up until you take it back.
My council (rather than school) will only accept that by having your physical presence and not a letter etc saying that you allow your child to leave the institution's responsibility before being physically with you or your representative.
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby bovlomov » 15 Oct 2017, 9:09pm

meic wrote:My council (rather than school) will only accept that by having your physical presence and not a letter etc saying that you allow your child to leave the institution's responsibility before being physically with you or your representative.

At what age are children allowed any autonomy? Can a 15 year old be trusted to cross a busy road, where there is no pelican crossing? Can he be trusted to stand on a railway platform?

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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby meic » 15 Oct 2017, 9:16pm

Oops, I missed out the mention of primary school there. When entering secondary school they instantly leap to the position of responsibility to walk themselves three miles, alone in the dark, crossing dual carriageways etc etc, from previously not being able to walk from the taxi to through the door which it has stopped outside.
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Re: School trying to make helmets compulsory

Postby landsurfer » 15 Oct 2017, 9:36pm

I think you will find the age of 13 is the watershed.
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