Helmets for cricketers instead of cyclists

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Helmets for cricketers instead of cyclists

Postby Cyril Haearn » 14 Nov 2017, 3:13pm

One hears repeatedly of footballers suffering dementia caused apparently by practising heading balls

To be good, they must practise thousands of times, seems a lot of exposure

Maybe they could wear unwanted cycling helmets, but what properties should a football helmet have? Cricketers wear helmets, pads etc, why not footballers?

Meantime I plan to play in goal, often the goalie goes 90 minutes without touching the ball once. Not much time to relax mind, one has to be alert all the time
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Re: Helmets for footballers instead of cyclists

Postby Wanlock Dod » 14 Nov 2017, 4:56pm

Surely professional exposures to hazards of that nature should be properly assessed and regulated by the HSE. I would imagine that they would be keen to remove the potential for exposure rather than hope that a special hat might prevent injury. Surely we should all be more concerned about the many thousands of amateur alcoholists that are recklessly endangering both themselves and others without the slightest consideration of donning an approved pub helmet.

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Re: Helmets for footballers instead of cyclists

Postby Jon Lucas » 14 Nov 2017, 7:36pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:
Meantime I plan to play in goal, often the goalie goes 90 minutes without touching the ball once.


Are you that bad that you don't save at least one shot? :D

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Re: Helmets for footballers instead of cyclists

Postby Cyril Haearn » 14 Nov 2017, 9:38pm

Jon Lucas wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:
Meantime I plan to play in goal, often the goalie goes 90 minutes without touching the ball once.


Are you that bad that you don't save at least one shot? :D


No, my defenders are so good, the *enemy* never even gets a shot at goal
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Re: Helmets for footballers instead of cyclists

Postby rmurphy195 » 18 Nov 2017, 2:33pm

Why "Instead"?
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Re: Helmets for footballers instead of cyclists

Postby Wanlock Dod » 20 Nov 2017, 7:20pm

rmurphy195 wrote:Why "Instead"?

Instead because the risk of serious head injury is considerably higher for the group that should be wearing helmets instead of cyclists. Of course if activities that are much more likely to result in a serious head injury than cycling don't need a helmet there's always a chance that people are going to start thinking that cycling doesn't need one either.

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Re: Helmets for footballers instead of cyclists

Postby ChrisButch » 20 Nov 2017, 7:49pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:One hears repeatedly of footballers suffering dementia caused apparently by practising heading balls..
Maybe they could wear unwanted cycling helmets, but what properties should a football helmet have?

Presumably something like a climbing helmet, since they're designed primarily to protect from objects falling from above?

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Re: Helmets for footballers instead of cyclists

Postby Cyril Haearn » 20 Nov 2017, 8:18pm

ChrisButch wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:One hears repeatedly of footballers suffering dementia caused apparently by practising heading balls..
Maybe they could wear unwanted cycling helmets, but what properties should a football helmet have?

Presumably something like a climbing helmet, since they're designed primarily to protect from objects falling from above?


Just read about a famous *base jumper* who took his last jump, not sure if he wore a climbing (or jumping) helmet
Footballers helmets could be optimised to give the ball more momentum, lots of marginal gains possible, and sponsorship €€!
Doubtless many footballers do lots of headers without suffering, just like my grandad who lived to 107 and smoked 20 woodbine a day %-#)
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Re: Helmets for footballers instead of cyclists

Postby AlaninWales » 21 Nov 2017, 10:31am

Of course, players of American Football would never suffer brain damage, due to the extensive use of helmets to protect them...


Oh wait ... :lol:

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Re: Helmets for footballers instead of cyclists

Postby Pastychomper » 22 Nov 2017, 1:12pm

IIRC, a big part of the problem for footballers is not so much the contact with the ball as the sudden twisting of the head to get it into the right position to hit the ball. The brain is reasonably well-protected from a direct blow, but a sharp twist has it banging against the inside of the skull in at least two places. If every header could be done by jumping straight up without turning the head, there'd be much less of a problem.

Presumably, any time the ball glances off the head in a way that makes it twist will also risk damage. Adding an inch or two of helmet would increase the leverage and hence the damage in these cases, unless the outer shell of the helmet could spin around the inner.
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Re: Helmets for footballers instead of cyclists

Postby Tangled Metal » 22 Nov 2017, 2:00pm

Isn't there evidence that boxing helmets don't do as well for their users as first thought? Even so far as saying they're increasing risk not decreasing it overall.

Mips for footballers?

Reminds me of kids about 7 wearing full face helmets whilst riding their bike on off road, surfaced cycle tracks (surfaced as in with tarmac). Why?

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Re: Helmets for footballers instead of cyclists

Postby Cunobelin » 22 Nov 2017, 6:01pm

You are forgetting one important thing


Head injuries suffered by non-cyclists hurt less, are less traumatic, the effects on families are far less, wiping an incontinent no-cyclists bottom is more pleasant and when you are fed soup through a straw it tastes so much better

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Re: Helmets for cricketers instead of cyclists

Postby Cyril Haearn » 28 Nov 2017, 6:08pm

What about cricket helmets?

Batsperson and Wicketperson wear them, but not bowlers or fielders, why not?
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Re: Helmets for cricketers instead of cyclists

Postby Stevek76 » 28 Nov 2017, 6:47pm

Reaction times I think. Helmet use was only recently made mandatory and it applies to the batsman, wicketkeeper (when standing up to the stumps) and some close fielders (the 'silly' ones that are in-front of the batsman). In those positions there is a chance that a funky ricochet from the bat can hit you before humanly possible reaction times have elapsed.

Slips and the bowler are the notable exceptions. For the slips it's near impossible for an unpredictable and unreactable ball to go in their direction and for the bowler it's likely because bowling with a helmet on would be impractical.

The mandatory seems excessive but most players in such places were already using helmets. Less out of a brain injury concern (though that has happened) and more out of the fact that a cricket ball to the face at speed really hurts!

I think there was some suggestion that high speed bowlers might be more willing to bowl a high ball to a batsman with a helmet on though.

If you get hit outside those places then you probably need to pay more attention and you'll probably catch some stick from team mates due to poor fielding/missed catches. :)

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Re: Helmets for footballers instead of cyclists

Postby Bonefishblues » 28 Nov 2017, 7:11pm

Cyril Haearn wrote:
Jon Lucas wrote:
Cyril Haearn wrote:
Meantime I plan to play in goal, often the goalie goes 90 minutes without touching the ball once.


Are you that bad that you don't save at least one shot? :D


No, my defenders are so good, the *enemy* never even gets a shot at goal

I used to find the net very helpful in ensuring I got an all-too-frequent touch.